charliechocolate Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Beckmann AG said: The funny thing is how the Intec standard has driven most everyone into boot lasts that fit everyone and yet no-one. Is this to say that the heel design affects the entire last? I'd love to know how much a pair of .951s weigh. I love my UPZs but sometimes I feel like they could be much lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Given the price, have you guys considered selling the boots in a shell only configuration? 1200 is a lot and I know I’d be putting different liners in them so now I’m spending 1400 USD..... or, give us an option for intuitions....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarveAlbertaToMe Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 I have no idea what's with all the socialist hate towards a new premium brand. Do people make these rude remarks when Porsche releases a car that costs twice as much as your Corvette? If you want to buy a cheaper boot, get a Deeluxe or UPZ. That doesn't mean Mountain Slope should change so you could afford their Porsche. They seem to shoot for the premium market. Good for them. It's an entirely different question whether the extra $$$ is worth it. Hopefully someone here will pony up the cash and live to tell us about how it performs (assuming that their wife didn't kill them yet). Are the .951 even better than the Deeluxe 700? I have no idea. I don't plan to buy from them, but if they're even a little better than the 700 then I'm sure it'd be worth every penny for someone out there. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Beckmann AG said: The funny thing is how the Intec standard has driven most everyone into boot lasts that fit everyone and yet no-one. UPZs fit a lot differently (and for me a lot better) than Deeluxe, yet are Intec compatible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Hello, I don't see where we can get spare parts on the new website...please tell us where ? thnx Nils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 9 hours ago, Beckmann AG said: Odd how some will pay a lot of money for a custom board with all the trendy doodads and graphics, add the latest clamps and an isolation plate, then refuse to put the same effort/resource into the footwear, when the latter has the potential to make the greater difference, and then some. Agree but who heads out on that journey by spending $1200 dollars on shells first ? My hope is that peoples first impression of this sport isn't Boots $1200. Board $1000. bindings $500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, lowrider said: Agree but who heads out on that journey by spending $1200 dollars on shells first ? My hope is that peoples first impression of this sport isn't Boots $1200. Board $1000. bindings $500. That's like thinking a first car buyer automatically thinks cars cost $500,000 because the most expensive ferrari does... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aracan Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Quote Agree but who heads out on that journey by spending $1200 dollars on shells first ? My hope is that peoples first impression of this sport isn't Boots $1200. Board $1000. bindings $500. A lot more than $ 1,000 for board, if you go by the "annual quiver photo" thread. As a newbie I would be more intimidated by the seeming necessity to "build a quiver" running deep into four- sometimes five-figure territory propagated by many posters than by a boot that costs as much as a really, really expensive ski boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 What he said. I guess I'd expect these to be expensive, because: They had to invest to make them. They are going to have to recoup those costs in 2018, not like the other guys who are using moulds which were a written-off cost years ago. Switzerland is hardly cheap, although I'm not sure where they're actually manufactured. Personally, I love the fact that they're making them. Their commercial success... well it's an open market, so either they sell or they don't. Batch two could well be cheaper, although that's a market forces issue: if you cut profit by half you have to sell twice as many. It's presumably unknown if the market is actually price sensitive. I'd say it's mostly not - as above, boots last way longer than boards, probably decades, so whilst you need to get it right, the cost is not so much per season, especially if you're using a design which is inherently not going to go away. Plus the target demographic is not kids. For me the issue is more that at this level of investment you really need to test them before buying. Hence I think some of that cost is going to go into the company taking their wares around for precisely that reason, in the absence of traditional "ski shop" slope side retail, which is not going to happen at this volume. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, philw said: For me the issue is more that at this level of investment you really need to test them before buying Unfortunately they won't send you a pair to try - I asked, knowing it was a longshot. I think in the absence of demos, one could easily sell the boots if they bought them and then decided against them after a brief trial. I will probably do that with the step-in version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamifumi Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, nils said: Hello, I don't see where we can get spare parts on the new website...please tell us where ? thnx Nils You can contact @Puhutes (Jennifer) directly and thats how I got my spare parts. I am sure they are working on that to put on the website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aracan Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 What philw said. I remember some discussions in the past on this forum about why there were no new models of boots. The bottom line always was "because they'd have to cost $ 1000". Which they do, because someone actually took the plunge and made the things. I don't see myself buying a pair, because they are likely a lot stiffer than I would want them. But if I add up my boots - the original (low, reduced, end-of-season-sale) price, the cost of new liners, softer tongues, of springs and footbeds, I arrive at something over $ 800. Had I paid full price for the original boots, that would have been closer to $ 1000. If I bought a new, $ 700 UPZ, and I did not already have the liners, springs and tongues, they would cost more than the Mountainslopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Puhutes said: Edited March 21, 2018 by Shred Gruumer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jack Michaud said: Unfortunately they won't send you a pair to try - I asked, knowing it was a longshot. I think in the absence of demos, one could easily sell the boots if they bought them and then decided against them after a brief trial. I will probably do that with the step-in version. Aye, it's likely easier on this side of the pond. Even so, with choices of shell size, foot length, and the stiffness options.... there's a lot of ways to get it wrong. I'm trying to convince myself I don't need Intec. I always carry spares as they're likely less reliable than the "traditional" option. From what I remember when I first switched, the Intec connection was for me more solid than the traditional clips had been. So there's another variable to play with.... the flex of the boots against the flex in the heel based on the type of attachment. So many toys, so little time... Oh yeah, their sponsored rider Ramona Hofmeister has some homepage video with these featured in detail : http://ramona-hofmeister.de/home-eng/ That's the way to turn them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamifumi Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, philw said: For me the issue is more that at this level of investment you really need to test them before buying. I feel like buying, trying and selling is never ending cycle for this sport especially now that there is no more traditional carving convention to demo. When I was in Midwest, that is all I did. Buy the equipment, try it, if you like it but want new one or dont like it, then sell it. That was cheaper than going to CO for a week and demo it. Even if you went to convention, demoing the equipment from Europe is not possible. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, charliechocolate said: Is this to say that the heel design affects the entire last? Provision for the Intec system affects geometry, which affects how the foot and lower leg interacts with the boot shell. More to the point, if you want to use the Intec system, you have a choice of only 2.5 readily available last configurations. Given the wide range of foot dimensions among users, and even from left to right, that means the shape has to be generic and generous. Filling the gaps with a foamy liner is a good plan for point of sale, but not so much for long term progress of the athlete. ->NB, the frequent mention of 'heel lifting' problems on toeside turns. Edited March 21, 2018 by Beckmann AG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, Shred Gruumer said: So the moderator seemed fit to remove my defense of myself but yet left the Mountain Slope dialogue up!! What a crock... Put that crack pipe down! We don't all live in the "Yellow Submarine" Do we need a safe place for manufactures to go when their product gets critiqued? If you like them fine,, that's ok we all like different stuff,, I just see through the smoke and called it... funny how people showed up all of a sudden that just got on Bomber? Interesting... I just questioned the price and the claim that it is new and its clearly not... Name-calling and personal attacks are not permitted. As mentioned in my PM to you, critiques and a healthy discussion are always welcome here. 1 minute ago, Beckmann AG said: Provision for the Intec system affects geometry, which affects how the foot and lower leg interacts with the boot shell. More to the point, if you want to use the Intec system, you have a choice of only 2.5 readily available last configurations. Given the wide range of foot dimensions among users, and even from left to right, that means the shape has to be generic and generous. Filling the gaps with a foamy liner is a good plan for point of sale, but not so much for long term progress of the athlete. ->NB, the frequent mention of 'heel lifting' problems on toeside turns. How does the shape of something under the foot drive the shape of something beside and above the foot? Not being passive aggressive; I'm genuinely curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Jack Michaud said: UPZs fit a lot differently (and for me a lot better) than Deeluxe, yet are Intec compatible. Right, and yet there can be a significant difference between 'better', and 'best'. I'd assume the Deelicks worked a lot better than your Megaflex on Variplates on PJ? The UPZ may well be your Ne plus ultra, but you won't know until you rule out other, as yet untested options. Would be a shame if actual nirvana was blocked by your need/want for step in convenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, lowrider said: Agree but who heads out on that journey by spending $1200 dollars on shells first ? My hope is that peoples first impression of this sport isn't Boots $1200. Board $1000. bindings $500. Just to be fair... if I was new to snowboarding I might buy: Jones Flagship ($600)https://www.jonessnowboards.com/gear/mens-snowboards/flagship.html Ride El Hefe Bindings ($450)https://www.ridesnowboards.com/en/mens/bindings/freeride/el-hefe-1718.html?dwvar_el-hefe-1718_color=black Burton Driver X boots ($430)https://www.burton.com/us/en/p/mens-driver-x-snowboard-boot/W18-104341.html I picked the examples above to point out snowboarding is expensive. My examples are sold out at many locations including the manufacturers. You can carve with that setup. Is it as expensive as one can go? No! But there will always be more expensive options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, philw said: Aye, it's likely easier on this side of the pond. Even so, with choices of shell size, foot length, and the stiffness options.... there's a lot of ways to get it wrong. AGREED! This is why I'm trying to get Mountain Slope to put things like BSL and Last Width in their size chart. At least you'd have an idea of how many days you'll be spending with your bootfitter! Edited March 21, 2018 by lonbordin Everyone should be so lucky to spend days with their bootfitter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, lonbordin said: Just to be fair... if I was new to snowboarding I might buy: Jones Flagship ($600)https://www.jonessnowboards.com/gear/mens-snowboards/flagship.html Ride El Hefe Bindings ($450)https://www.ridesnowboards.com/en/mens/bindings/freeride/el-hefe-1718.html?dwvar_el-hefe-1718_color=black Burton Driver X boots ($430)https://www.burton.com/us/en/p/mens-driver-x-snowboard-boot/W18-104341.html I picked the examples above to point out snowboarding is expensive. My examples are sold out at many locations including the manufacturers. You can carve with that setup. Is it as expensive as one can go? No! But there will always be more expensive options. Almost nobody new to snowboarding is going to buy that setup, and if they did it would be a mistake. Likewise nobody new to hardboots is likely to or should be contemplating a pair of .951s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Neil Gendzwill said: Almost nobody new to snowboarding is going to buy that setup, and if they did it would be a mistake. Likewise nobody new to hardboots is likely to or should be contemplating a pair of .951s. C'mon you participate in /r/snowboarding People buy Jones/Burton/Ride all the time just due to the name/popularity. Not saying it's not a mistake!!! You know how many threads start with I bought a new board [insert totally inappropriate board/setup here]! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 I'm not telling where i shop but some of you seem to shop where Tori Spelling and the Kardadashians do !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, philw said: Oh yeah, their sponsored rider Ramona Hofmeister has some homepage video with these featured in detail : http://ramona-hofmeister.de/home-eng/ That's the way to turn them. I'll say this about the "new" .951 I'm impressed by the lack of modifications to the boots by the world cup riders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workshop7 Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, lowrider said: Boots $1200. Board $1000. bindings $500. That is pretty close to reality. Obviously, it’s not so with the entry level gear, but skiing a similar quality/price range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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