pokkis Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, barryj said: Yes..... trying to move rear binding to get axle "in middle of rear foot" is giving me Huge stance And putting me in backseat You should move whole plate to fix that Edited February 12, 2019 by pokkis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comapedrosa Posted February 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 hours ago, barryj said: Coma...sorry to hijack your Thread!...........we will return to the regularly scheduled activity right after this K168 commercial break!! Enjoying every bit of this conversation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 4 hours ago, barryj said: Yes..... trying to move rear binding to get axle "in middle of rear foot" is giving me Huge stance And putting me in backseat Can't you move your axles closer? 4 hours ago, pokkis said: On Allflex/Vistflex type plates it is not so big issue as on old style plates where long stance force your bindings to incorrect place regards axles. There are a many mounting points for axles on the Apex Race V2. Maybe bomber is more restrictive. I can even go 1 wider, but that's put the rear axle under the heel of my rear foot and it won't be centred on the ASIP mounts and that would bother my OCD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, daveo said: Can't you move your axles closer? Remind me of the advantaged/disadvantages of axle spacing....I though it had a direct relation to the performance/damping of the board. Closer = less damping/more feel - Correct ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, barryj said: Remind me of the advantaged/disadvantages of axle spacing....I though it had a direct relation to the performance/damping of the board. Closer = less damping/more feel - Correct ?? Oh I just thought since getting optimal axle placement is giving you huge stance backseat issues why not just move the axles optimally based on your comfortable stance width instead of the other way around? Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding something? I reckon just play with all axle positions and find what you like best.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Time to get this thread back on track. Have had the pleasure of borrowing Pat Chouinard's Thirst Superconductor (175?) for the afternoon. It was built for about my weight, about 180lbs. I rode my 2017 Coiler Nirvana Energy Torsion+ 174 (12-14m SCR) this morning which has about 30 days riding on it as a comparison. The Thirst has a slightly wider waist but there was no problem putting it on edge with my standard 58/62 angles. Once I had got acquainted with it on the greens, it was off to dark blue runs to put it through its' paces. Riding in flat light with light snowfall on chopped up groom the Thirst gripped well, came round almost as fast as the Donek MK, and made easy work of speed controlled carving on steeps. I felt more confident riding it in those conditions that I had my Coiler in the morning. The Coiler with its P-Tex top is a stealth board. The Thirst is like a 2 stroke motorcycle, it roars in the turn on hard pack, it rings when you drop it on the snow before you click into your bindings, it resonates with every touch. Help me! It's now 5pm, and I'm onto my 3rd can of Sprite, and I'm still Thirsty...... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 I’ve got almost the same exact Coiler, just a tad shorter with a tighter radius. I love that board and it is my daily driver, but man... I didn’t need to read this review. Hopefully a beer will scratch that itch for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 21 hours ago, SunSurfer said: The Thirst is like a 2 stroke motorcycle, it roars in the turn on hard pack, it rings when you drop it on the snow before you click into your bindings, it resonates with every touch. Yuck. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 6:08 PM, SunSurfer said: Time to get this thread back on track. Have had the pleasure of borrowing Pat Chouinard's Thirst Superconductor (175?) for the afternoon. It was built for about my weight, about 180lbs. I rode my 2017 Coiler Nirvana Energy Torsion+ 174 (12-14m SCR) this morning which has about 30 days riding on it as a comparison. The Thirst has a slightly wider waist but there was no problem putting it on edge with my standard 58/62 angles. Once I had got acquainted with it on the greens, it was off to dark blue runs to put it through its' paces. Riding in flat light with light snowfall on chopped up groom the Thirst gripped well, came round almost as fast as the Donek MK, and made easy work of speed controlled carving on steeps. I felt more confident riding it in those conditions that I had my Coiler in the morning. The Coiler with its P-Tex top is a stealth board. The Thirst is like a 2 stroke motorcycle, it roars in the turn on hard pack, it rings when you drop it on the snow before you click into your bindings, it resonates with every touch. Help me! It's now 5pm, and I'm onto my 3rd can of Sprite, and I'm still Thirsty...... I know sunsurfer also has a 162 Kessler, so he is familiar with the K ride. Am I the only other one who has actually ridden both Kessler and Thirst? I've owned a 180 and two 162 Kesslers in the past. I have ridden a 168 and a 170 Kessler for a few runs. I now own 3 Thirsts: SF 162 (small), Superconductor 175 (med) and 8RW 185 (large). I have ridden these 3 boards all winter and have gradually gotten to trust that they can handle most all conditions better than anything I've ever ridden before. I have found myself ridding my very familiar home mountain terrain in ways I had not dared before. I keep waiting for the big crash, when I've pushed it too far, but it hasn't happened...yet...shouldn't even say stuff like that. With lots of time to think on the chair ride up after a run, I've been thinking about the comparison to other boards. Thirsts have the best qualities of several boards: the silky smooth carve of a Kessler, light and nimble sureness of a non-metal Oxess, the smooth & easy ride of a Coiler, the energy of a Rev and can be pushed hard and blast through crud like a 162 SG fullrace. I'm just trying to think of some of the qualities I liked about each of these other boards. Since I've been riding these Thirsts, I haven't missed them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, bigwavedave said: I know sunsurfer also has a 162 Kessler, so he is familiar with the K ride. Am I the only other one who has actually ridden both Kessler and Thirst? I've owned a 180 and two 162 Kesslers in the past. I have ridden a 168 and a 170 Kessler for a few runs. I now own 3 Thirsts: SF 162 (small), Superconductor 175 (med) and 8RW 185 (large). I have ridden these 3 boards all winter and have gradually gotten to trust that they can handle most all conditions better than anything I've ever ridden before. I have found myself ridding my very familiar home mountain terrain in ways I had not dared before. I keep waiting for the big crash, when I've pushed it too far, but it hasn't happened...yet...shouldn't even say stuff like that. With lots of time to think on the chair ride up after a run, I've been thinking about the comparison to other boards. Thirsts have the best qualities of several boards: the silky smooth carve of a Kessler, light and nimble sureness of a non-metal Oxess, the smooth & easy ride of a Coiler, the energy of a Rev and can be pushed hard and blast through crud like a 162 SG fullrace. I'm just trying to think of some of the qualities I liked about each of these other boards. Since I've been riding these Thirsts, I haven't missed them. Ever ride a plate on a Thirst? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredman Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, daveo said: Ever ride a plate on a Thirst? I am not fan of plates for freecarving. For racing I get it, East Coast ice, I get that. Living out west and having typically good conditions and having tried a few plates, I found the performance gains not worth the low speed handling sacrifice, weight and stack height increase. A Thirst with reasonably flexy bindings will handle the worst conditions (spring freeze/thaw cycles) we get stunningly well. I think our North America board builders are building some of the finest recreational freecarving boards out there and plates are not needed when you build them right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliechocolate Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, dredman said: I am not fan of plates for freecarving Do you mean full-isolation (e.g. Vist) plates or riser-type (e.g. Geckos) plates? I find that the ride quality that the latter improves on greatly outweigh what little sacrifice is given up in terms of low-speed handling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredman Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, charliechocolate said: Do you mean full-isolation (e.g. Vist) plates or riser-type (e.g. Geckos) plates? Full isolation. Have not tried riser types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 I still don't understand the problem with low speed handling. I don't seem to encounter it for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 On 3/20/2019 at 3:38 PM, daveo said: Ever ride a plate on a Thirst? I guess the original question was K vs T, as much as I don't like making those "vs" type comparisons, it is personal opinion after all. All the boards I mentioned in my post I consider to be great boards. I just stumbled upon this old thread and after looking through it, I was struck by the many opinions offered by folks who have only ridden one of the boards in question. Regarding plates, I once demoed an AF plate (on my Rev) and it worked fine, but I just didn't like the disconnect. I am fortunate to ride mostly fresh morning groom and go home when and if the going gets too rough. Since I've been riding the Thirsts I have found that I will keep riding later as they seem to go through late day chop and push piles a bit smoother than my other boards, so now I'm even less inclined to get a plate. I see no reason why one couldn't mount a plate on a Thirst, just not sure if it would be worth isolating yourself from the delicious feel of its silky smooth carve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 I wonder how these boards would go if Mark built them specifically to be used with an Allflex plate and to be used for racing gates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chouinard Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 16 hours ago, bigwavedave said: 3 Thirsts: SF 162 (small), Superconductor 175 (med) When and under what conditions do you ride the 162? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, Chouinard said: When and under what conditions do you ride the 162? When I want to keep my speed under control and/or be more maneuverable e.g., flat light, early season limited snow coverage, crowded hill, narrow runs. It gets the least use of the three. Sometimes I ride it just to have a giggle. It rides like a SL board; very versatile and more fun than you'd expect...and makes small midwestern resorts with short runs more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kneel Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 I'm waiting on a Thirst XC from Mark. I think that would be the real comparison to the K168 which I also have. I haven't ridden the Superconductor yet, but if its anything like the 8RW, these boards couldn't differ more in feel, however their silky smoothness is equal, just different. Iv'e also ridden the 8RW with Sidewinders, F2 Ti's and Titanflex and they ALL completely change the feel of the board underfoot. Not negatively mind you, just different. Love it with the Titanflex. Just came back from a week in Big Sky where I planned to try it with geckos but never did as the ride is so nice with the Titanflex. The K168 too is just a great ride all around, but definitely improves with isolation, whereas it would be diminishing returns with the Thirst. FWIW... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 6:48 PM, pokkis said: Guys, stop bragging about K168, otherwise my wife will kill me getting one more board I hate you all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 3:48 AM, pokkis said: Guys, stop bragging about K168, otherwise my wife will kill me getting one more board But ... you need it. I think you'd love the K168... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 Yes, that board is as good as you said. Still need to test it without plate, but with plate it is joy ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, pokkis said: Yes, that board is as good as you said. Still need to test it without plate, but with plate it is joy ride. Wait ... you bought one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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