Jack M Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 14 hours ago, Beckmann AG said: skis and snowboards carve best when the athlete bends them into a smooth arc Well sure, I was assuming that much. If you're one of these guys who wheelies the nose at the end of every carve, then there are other factors in play. But if the athlete tries to bend the board into a smooth arc, and the board/plate/binding prevents that, I say that's a problem with the equipment under the boots. 14 hours ago, Beckmann AG said: There have been a great number of ski bindings produced over the years touting elimination of 'the dead spot'. Most don't remain in production for more than a year or two. When you consider that those competing in GS, the closest 'analog' to hardboot carving, don't use much more than a 'standard' binding atop a riser plate Are you sure about that? My dad's new-last-year Rossi Heros have what looks like a Vist plate on them, and it sure wasn't his idea to put them there. Next time a high-level ski race is in town, I'm going to check out the gear. I'll be very surprised if they're just using a simple riser. Quote Td4: same features/performance, half the weight. Ti? Mg? CF? drool... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I feel that Gecko's are best bang for money for carver or beer legue racer. They are light, simple to setup and dont require adapting to stiffer heavier long plate. If you feel that they are too stiff or you are lighter rider, just replace red bushings with orange ones, or i would order both right away, as i did :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 48 minutes ago, Jack Michaud said: Are you sure about that? My dad's new-last-year Rossi Heros have what looks like a Vist plate on them, and it sure wasn't his idea to put them there. Next time a high-level ski race is in town, I'm going to check out the gear. I'll be very surprised if they're just using a simple riser. You are right. Every one piece riser I've seen, over the last 15 years, on skis, had some sort of floating/sliding mechanism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jack Michaud said: Are you sure about that? My dad's new-last-year Rossi Heros have what looks like a Vist plate on them, and it sure wasn't his idea to put them there. Next time a high-level ski race is in town, I'm going to check out the gear. I'll be very surprised if they're just using a simple riser. The Vist doesn't appear to incorporate linkages, pivots, springs, variable position switches, or pistons. Ergo, I'd regard that as a 'simple' riser, a few generations removed from the original Derby/Deflex and EPB systems. Don't get me wrong, the concept is sound, and they can certainly contribute to performance. If a skier persists in squeezing grapes against the boot tongue all day long, a Vist et al won't make much difference. When you consider the buying power of Rossignol, the exposure for the plate manufacturer gained by that partnership, and the perceived advantage at the point of sale, it's a no brainer to combine the two on a 'performance' platform. I seem to recall a difference going from the 5 point Variplate mount to the 3d system, but not so much going from the TD1 to the TD2, other than feeling more 'connected' on the TD1, despite the smaller puck. Edited December 21, 2017 by Beckmann AG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruincounselor Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Beckmann AG said: I seem to recall a difference going from the 5 point Variplate mount to the 3d system This was a big change in plate binding performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/20/2017 at 5:20 PM, Jack Michaud said: Well sure, I was assuming that much. If you're one of these guys who wheelies the nose at the end of every carve, then there are other factors in play. But if the athlete tries to bend the board into a smooth arc, and the board/plate/binding prevents that, I say that's a problem with the equipment under the boots. Are you sure about that? My dad's new-last-year Rossi Heros have what looks like a Vist plate on them, and it sure wasn't his idea to put them there. Next time a high-level ski race is in town, I'm going to check out the gear. I'll be very surprised if they're just using a simple riser. Ti? Mg? CF? drool... NOT Mg! During portions of the year they'll salt the courses for the local racing club, so pictures of emmental cheese comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticBoarder Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/19/2017 at 6:52 PM, rjnakata said: For TD4's I would be thrilled to see: 1) On slope single tool infinite cant/lift adjustment achievable without removing the cant disk or base plate . 2) Quantifiable cant/lift measurement (ie I would know bindings are now set to 5.55 degrees lift and 2.45 degrees cant etc) 3) Boot centering capability for all boot sole lengths.. 4) Adjustment of binding angle without removal of toe/heel blocks 5) Greater latitude for elastomer flexibility (ie, softer), but still metal board compatible It may be a lot to ask, and as to what they would look like IDK! There are some bindings from the past that have achieved some of these, but not all together.... I would love to see something similar. Lighter weight would be nice, and more friendly to small feet too! I have to remove toe /heel blocks any time I want to do anything. And forget about step ins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVR Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 The TD3 standard or the TD2 had the ability to adjust angles without removal of toe/heel block, so this should be possible with the sidewinders, as I look at them. Also, although fewer may want them, maybe a limited run of 8 or 9 degree cants? Personally, I don't need them, but it would be interesting to have those options.... All I know is the sidewinders, although great, have the blocks get in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, TVR said: The TD3 standard or the TD2 had the ability to adjust angles without removal of toe/heel block, so this should be possible with the sidewinders, as I look at them. Also, although fewer may want them, maybe a limited run of 8 or 9 degree cants? Personally, I don't need them, but it would be interesting to have those options.... All I know is the sidewinders, although great, have the blocks get in the way. With small boots (or UPZ with their stupid heel under the midfoot), the blocks overlap the 3 baseplate bolts. I have to loosen the heel block to access one of the 4x4 bolts on my TD3 SI SW. Even with non-SW, I still can't access the baseplate bolts without removing the heel block. I'd like to try a 9-degree cant. Some racers run some serious heel lifts on their F2 bindings, maybe more than 9? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piusthedrcarve Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Corey said: I'd like to try a 9-degree cant. Some racers run some serious heel lifts on their F2 bindings, maybe more than 9? Yeah. I had sen one that was setup with stacked big (6 degree) and small (3 degree) lift blocks on F2 Race Titanium older model. Catek used to go 8 degree with long king pin. I believe racers were using with Raichle boots (pre-UPZ era) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) On 12/23/2017 at 3:04 AM, Corey said: With small boots (or UPZ with their stupid heel under the midfoot), the blocks overlap the 3 baseplate bolts. I have to loosen the heel block to access one of the 4x4 bolts on my TD3 SI SW. Even with non-SW, I still can't access the baseplate bolts without removing the heel block. I'd like to try a 9-degree cant. Some racers run some serious heel lifts on their F2 bindings, maybe more than 9? Take your TD3s, measure the distance between the toe and heel blocks, and create 3 degree lift wedges that create the additional slope. I did this to turn a 3 degree disc into 6 degrees to create enough toe lift when I bought my UPZ boots. You'll need some longer M6 screws to mount them. You need really long screws to mount a 9 degree heel wedge on F2s (tried it)! Then the angle between the top surface of the heel block and the screw head also becomes an issue. 9 degree discs, axis 30-45 degrees offset from binding plate axis depending upon preference, would also allow skwalleurs to run appropriate lift and outward canting. The design feature that sets TD's apart from pretty much everything else on the market is the ability to precisely and incrementally adjust lift and canting. Understanding, publicising and marketing that design feature to high visibility racers/riders is a key to increasing market penetration. Just like Kessler make stock and custom boards, Bomber could make custom cant discs (for a price). Edited December 25, 2017 by SunSurfer add detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted December 24, 2017 Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 I keep checking this thread to look for updates on bomber coming back....but it seems to be a different topic now....which I take to mean "no further info available". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 Hmm. A thread about Bomber’s demise and potential return drifted into the need for updated or new products or lack there of. I hope the future owners take note of the potential here but see the large engineering component thats needed to keep a business like this running. I personally know of too many small businesses that fell into the funk of surviving on legacy products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVR Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 Donek has done well with Ryan's videos... it keeps the name brand in the forefront of peoples minds.... many of the Sochi athletes were running TD3's (not the majority, but still) and that kind of brand placement is huge... Maybe if the TD series comes out with the next version and some well known riders show them off, this might put the spark where it is needed in Bomber... Same for the boots...All I know is, for my entire life the whole "new and improved" was pasted on all products and kids want what athletes do... If positioned right, this could become the phoenix and launch Bomber to a new level... once the dust of the existing ashes are blown clear.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 Currently up on the Bomber Store webpage. Open for window shopping only. ________________________________________ * PLEASE NOTE * Bomber is currently going through an ownership change. The Store is open for looking at what is available, however until the ownership change is complete no orders will be accepted or shipped. We are very sorry for this inconvenience and we hope to have this resolved soon. We appreciate you patience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticBoarder Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 On 12/25/2017 at 6:43 AM, TVR said: Donek has done well with Ryan's videos... it keeps the name brand in the forefront of peoples minds.... many of the Sochi athletes were running TD3's (not the majority, but still) and that kind of brand placement is huge... Maybe if the TD series comes out with the next version and some well known riders show them off, this might put the spark where it is needed in Bomber... Same for the boots...All I know is, for my entire life the whole "new and improved" was pasted on all products and kids want what athletes do... If positioned right, this could become the phoenix and launch Bomber to a new level... once the dust of the existing ashes are blown clear.... Not to push it more off topic, but a softbot binding I think would really help to put bomber on the map. I would love to see something that is light, offers the quick entry like FLOWs, and uses a similar base plate to that of the TD3s. Talking to riders like Ryan and softboot carvers here would find what else is missing from the current availability. Maybe a 3rd strap? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) On 12/25/2017 at 5:12 AM, michael.a said: I hope the future owners take note of the potential here but see the large engineering component thats needed to keep a business like this running. I personally know of too many small businesses that fell into the funk of surviving on legacy products. Agree on point #1. Also a mistake to prematurely phase out support for older versions/ older models, especially given the size of the plate binding market, and the tendency for older pieces to get handed down, and be used to introduce novices to the game. And of course there's the insecure notion that things have to change every so often, otherwise the customer thinks you aren't making the product any better. Was looking up parts for a low volume flowmeter the other day. Probably at least 40 years old. Company is still in business, and still manufacturing the exact same piece. Point being, in some markets, once you figure out what matters, you're good to go for a very long time. Edited December 30, 2017 by Beckmann AG typoos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp1 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Wishing you the Best, Fin / Bomber !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fin Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 You da man jp1! Hope all is well in Jersey Town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Happy New Bomber Year Fin!! Can't wait to have you back in the saddle!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Soooo, Fin, when you gonna have bomber kicking ass again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 On 11/29/2017 at 11:58 AM, Shred Gruumer said: Well this is weird. I hit multiquote for this post """Hmm. A thread about Bomber’s demise and potential return drifted into the need for updated or new products or lack there of. I hope the future owners take note of the potential here but see the large engineering component thats needed to keep a business like this running. I personally know of too many small businesses that fell into the funk of surviving on legacy products.""" And Techno Viking appears from Shred. It must be a sign that the store is coming....or Fin is #1. First I want to thank Fin for getting the forum operational during the transition(s)? that are happening. I personally think the TD3 SI is the finest binding I have ever had underfoot. I have never carved at speed so much without that little nagging "What if" in the back of my mind. And for that I thank Fin once again. Not sure what direction design will pull future models but this is one great binding. Peace, love and carving to everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruincounselor Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 I'm weary of logging in to see no movement on this thread. That is all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 A bad lawyer could make this thread last several years but a good lawyer could make it last longer....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Lurch said: A bad lawyer could make this thread last several years but a good lawyer could make it last longer....... What? We're all lawyers now?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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