pow4ever Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 As a pretty layback person; carving is a great outlet for Mr. Hyde side of me. However it's like a 2 stroke bike; it's either on or meh. I could ride it like a regular snowboard but always feel guilty while doing it: slarving, jump turn, cruising and not looking for the toughest trails. On good condition, not too steep. One can go kinda relax about it. Relax is a mental context but physically it's still pretty intense for me. Is it possible to to do so in a less aggressive/violent way on sub-optimal condition: icy, steep? Guess with enough practice anything is possible. Maybe I won't like the sport as much if it's less savage/brutal lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Absolutely possible to relax into the carve. Don't do it on a steeper slope than a lower end blue run. Learn to carve by just finding your edge and adjusting the tilt angle of the board. Don't force the board to turn, just let it do all the work. Savio at Buttermilk is a good example of a great slope, where we met while I was demoing the Donek MK (you have a cameo role in the video on YouTube). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliechocolate Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Isn't it called "the norm?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 that's why god invented blue groomers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf Quebec Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 C'mon David ! I saw you relax on the extra wide slopes at Aspen. When riding on extra wide slopes in Colorado I can feel relax, but on the narrow icy run I'm more focus for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Another way to frame this question: Can just "doing the norm"/"enter style/technique here" suffice for steep/icy/narrow? or it's always rabid ape on meth? Don't get me wrong; I loved the aspect of "active mediation" of carving. The single pureness of focus on not dying where all life's little/big worry melts away. At the end of a long carving day: I would like to tackle the difficult trails like the skier and not resort to limited myself to less challenge trails. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Surf Quebec said: I saw you relax on the extra wide slopes at Aspen hahaha... like a duck gracefully gliding across a calm pond. On the surface all look relaxed and compose but inside/underneath the surface: the peddle are working extra hard lol.. Hope your winter is going well. The Quebec gathering is mighty tempting; no vacation days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Is relaxing skiing possible ? It is in Canada pot is now legal. Smells like skunk at the local bump nite skiing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big mario Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, pow4ever said: or it's always rabid ape on meth? Sounds perfectly normal to me Prolly why the dude freaks out whenever I go all surfy on softer days Mario 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 hahhaa... Don't ski nor do i part take the 420 so I wouldn't know. I do see a tons more older skier make it look effortless. Don't seem the same ratio of geriatric carver "attacking" the slope on carving board. Thinking long term, sustainability for me to enjoy this sports. This is something i would like to keep doing for the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, pow4ever said: I do see a tons more older skier make it look effortless. Don't seem the same ratio of geriatric carver "attacking" the slope on carving board. Thinking long term, sustainability for me to enjoy this sports. This is something i would like to keep doing for the long run. when I can't one stick it any more I'l still ski till I'm dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 The Pure Carve Crew comes to Mind...Cliff, Alan, Larry, Larry, Joey, Mike, Wayne and others would ride with power and a relaxed grace that is a real joy to watch no matter the pitch, always in control...many into their 70's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) always in control smooth is as smooth does Edited January 15, 2019 by b0ardski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 @b0ardski Do you feel ski is more less physical demanding relative speaking to carving? Thank you Bob! Power and Relax; that's the combination I am looking for. Love to hear your feedback: There are hope yet; but legendary folks such as you self are the exception than the norm? What's the secret? Is it just sample size? Skier can ski well into their 80. Snowboard in general are harder on the body since it's "newer". technique/equipment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 in my world 2 sticks are more physically demanding than one in most conditions, assuming smooth flow down hill; but when balance starts failing at 80, 2 sticks will be more stable, just like starting out at 3yrs old relaxing into the flow is a human skill in every sport, the secret is time spent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Technique trumps raw power. Raw power can take you pretty far when you're young though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 You can ride pretty relaxed so long as you’re good with the resulting speed. I’m much more relaxed cruising at mach schnell than I am trying to keep up with Corey linking perfect Cs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf Quebec Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Agree with Corey. Some carvers seems very relax when carving, no efforts, very fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Corey said: Technique trumps raw power. Raw power can take you pretty far when you're young though. Exactly. I feel the way I carve currently isn't long term. Just like my Kendo teacher told me: at different stage of our life; recognized and utilize one's strength. When we are young; it's strength, speed. When we get older: slowly recognized the fleeting youth and switch toward more mental/strategic. Trouble is my mind isn't the sharpest tool in the shed lol... 25 minutes ago, b0ardski said: relaxing into the flow is a human skill in every sport, the secret is time spent Good O T.O.M -- Time on Mountain. There is no "secret". Eat right, sleep, exercise. Putting enough time with the right mental attitude it should come? "hack away the unessential." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, b0ardski said: in my world 2 sticks are more physically demanding than one in most conditions, assuming smooth flow down hill; but when balance starts failing at 80, 2 sticks will be more stable, just like starting out at 3yrs old relaxing into the flow is a human skill in every sport, the secret is time spent I also find the snowboard less demanding then skis - no overloads of a single leg, twists, funny splits, pulled groins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Surf Quebec said: Agree with Corey. Some carvers seems very relax when carving, no efforts, very fluid. I agreed. That's the goal. However looking can be deceiving. To the un-initiated I look semi-competent; but in reality I am on that hairy edge of losing control.... Hence not "relax" in the mental state/context. 13 minutes ago, Neil Gendzwill said: You can ride pretty relaxed so long as you’re good with the resulting speed. I’m much more relaxed cruising at mach schnell than I am trying to keep up with Corey linking perfect Cs Interesting; I would think it's the opposite for most. I am a sloppy carver; most of time going way fast than I should. The "speed" cover up many of my mistake/deficiency. Relax in both mental/physical context. It's you vs you, a lone sport. Only you know how good you did. off topic but apply here as well:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XHSZ-sLG3I If you like Kendo: 8th dan test documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsRpbCUJCJk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west carven Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 howdy simple... make savage/brutal look effortless... relax, but rip the gnar to shreds... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Relaxed carving is kind of like a Zen of carving. To paraphrase Everything is in balance, and remains or returns there. Speed control is as Corey taught in a Steeps Clinic at an SES long ago - carve the turn uphill just a little more. And like our resident sage Beckmann AG suggests - Take everything inessential away until all you are left with is the carve. Edited January 15, 2019 by SunSurfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredman Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Bubble gum and Music that moves you.. helps get the brain out of the equation. Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, pow4ever said: If you like Kendo: I’ve been practicing kendo for over 35 years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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