Jack M Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Here it is, the unicorn, the Ice Piranha. I bought this a few years ago from the original owner - Fin Doyle. The hype is real, but it's just too small and narrow for me. Inserts are good, I used the board with longer screws which I recommend doing. I'd say I put 10 days on it tops. Fin did not use it much as it wasn't very well suited to where he rides. Plenty of camber and edge material - as much as any new board I've ever had. Board has always been stored upright. I have never touched the edges or base with a file, stone, or grinder. Base has NO issues whatsoever. There is some light rust in places on the edges from standing in a ski locker, so no more photos of the bottom right now. I will have the board tuned with your choice of bevels before shipping, or you can take it as-is. $695 shipped to the 48 states. I will pay the first $30 of shipping elsewhere. Direct link to full resolution photo: https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3M2CNxw/0/5931cb93/O/i-3M2CNxw.jpg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eboot Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 good luck - suprised that nobody has responded to this already unless there are a bunch of PMs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidad62 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Awesome seller - buy with confidence. I have bought 2 of Jacks boards - very pleased and always exactly as described. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 I have spent the last 5 months building a diesel 4x4 sled hauler. If that board came to my house even as a gift i would be dead in seconds. Can't wait to hear who the happy new owner is ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eboot Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 just bought another of Jack’s boards: 2 day delivered to my door, exactly as promised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAlexander Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Board spoken for, sale in process. Thanks Jack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Still one of the best snowboards I've ever owned. It really is special. IMHO. Hope you enjoy it RA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAlexander Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Hi jack, I put the check in the USPS mail today 9/24/18 at 10:00 am this morning. I am very excited to see what the Madd will do. rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 3 hours ago, RobertAlexander said: I am very excited to see what the Madd will do. Stay clear of solid objects for the first hour or so. The OE 158 can be a slingshot in the hands of an angry god. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 What Beckham said. That little F'r sent me flying once when I was not paying attention (and I'm a load to launch) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAlexander Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Thanks for the warning, I have been riding the MK as my go to board for years now. But still will be careful and try to learn the Madd in a safe progressive manner. This will also be an opportunity to test the Original Madd 158 alongside the MK on same day/ same hour /same trail situations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 I had both. OG still my fave by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekdut Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 9 hours ago, big canuck said: I had both. OG still my fave by far. Fully agreed. There's more variability in turn shape with the Madd, and the platform just feels a little more stable underfoot. I often do OG vs MK back to back on the same day just to kill my legs as fast as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 Wow! That's the original Madd 158 I rode that Fin lend to me. OMG. It haul ass... and I mean SERIOUS ass! And watch it when you carve because they really turn just like how the squirrels evade by turning sharp right or left away from a predator. They perform -extremely- well when I rode it out in Summit County (Keystone, if I reckon correctly). Just... be careful. That board is a true natural-occuring red hue diamond (extremely rare in pristine condition). The base is quite different from the "standard" so tread carefully. It's a shame I didn't see this post for I would most likely have bought it since I have firsthand experience with that board. I wonder if Fin still have that Madd 170. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 Why is it that no one has been able to reproduce the same feel? I understand the base material that's not available, but we have some amazing board builders now that can reverse engineer a board from 20+ years ago. Is nostalgia more powerful than the construction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAlexander Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Corey said: Why is it that no one has been able to reproduce the same feel? I understand the base material that's not available, but we have some amazing board builders now that can reverse engineer a board from 20+ years ago. Is nostalgia more powerful than the construction? That is the Plan. There's more variability in turn shape with the Madd, and the platform just feels a little more stable underfoot. This was my pre ride thought. Due to the butterfly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted September 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Corey said: Why is it that no one has been able to reproduce the same feel? There are many variables at play. Yeah you could trace an outline of the board, but that's only one piece of the puzzle. The harmony of sidecut, flex profile, stiffness, camber height and shape, nose/tail shape, and vibration characteristics is crucial. Madds had a lot of "stuff" going on, like the mystery non-radial sidecut, "forward loaded" camber (and to my eye non-radial camber), the CF wing, and whatever black magic is inside. The tooling to make these boards was destroyed in some catastrophe at the factory in Italy, and some of the materials are no longer available. The Donek MK was designed to go beyond the original 158, not just duplicate it. If your size, weight, riding style, and usual riding terrain are a good fit for the board, I would say mission accomplished. I felt the magic, but it was just too turny for me at Sugarloaf. This original 158 turns longer than the MK and I found it to have a wider bandwidth of carve sizes, but at the end of the day it's just too short and narrow for me. I also couldn't exactly fit my stance to the g-spot of the board with the available inserts. Between this 158 and the MK I had, the warnings in this thread about getting launched and avoiding solid objects seem more appropriate for the MK, which Robert already has. I don't know if the original Madds had the same issues of copy-to-copy variation as the later incarnations. I tried Shaggy's original 158 at the 2012 ECES at Stratton and fell in love. I tried an early MK prototype then too, and again at the 2014 ECES, and also fell in love both times. When I got both these boards home to Sugarloaf, which is generally steeper, the experience was different. I've had this happen a number of times with other boards - getting a different impression at a demo at another mountain than at home. I'll be interested to see how Robert finds this board. Loon has a good number of trails similar to Stratton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Jack Michaud said: There are many variables at play. Yeah you could trace an outline of the board, but that's only one piece of the puzzle. The harmony of sidecut, flex profile, stiffness, camber height and shape, nose/tail shape, and vibration characteristics is crucial. Madds had a lot of "stuff" going on, like the mystery non-radial sidecut, "forward loaded" camber (and to my eye non-radial camber), the CF wing Nothing here that today's makers can't duplicate... But: 1 hour ago, Jack Michaud said: and whatever black magic is inside This may be harder. My Madd reissue had the butterfly stuck on with some weird double-sided tape. (Which stops being sticky at -35. Pop! ) I have no doubt that there was some viscous damping effect from this tape. 1 hour ago, Jack Michaud said: When I got both these boards home to Sugarloaf, which is generally steeper, the experience was different. I've had that same effect happen three times with boards that I loved in Aspen, but were totally unremarkable at home. It wasn't a steepness thing for me, more like a snow-difference thing. My MK delivers when I want to slow things down. Very interested in hearing the MK vs. O.G. Madd review! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Corey said: Which stops being sticky at -35. Pop! May I ask where you ride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poloturbo Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Winterpeg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 That place is cold eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Yeah, sometimes. You don't have to wait in lift lines when it's -30 or colder though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAlexander Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 The Madd 158 Org arrived safely to its new home. Jack is good to deal with. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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