AIL "Alpine Injured List"

[kipstar]

Dear Kitu. Skis were the problem lol! Said like a true snowboarder!

Thanks for your explanation. Interesting. I believe fixing it if its busted is longterm the likely best solution.

[dingbat]

I start PT this Friday.

Hope your therapist is hot.

[keltacer]

Hope your therapist is hot.

Ha! I'm keeping my fingers crossed but with my luck itll be doubtful.

[kipstar]

Ok so now12 days after I have been for a follow up and seen another specialist also. I've been in a brace and all swelling is gone on the day of the mri they drained a bunch of yellow fluid (no blood) from my knee and now without the brace I can walk normally with no sense of knee giving out but odd small bursts of pain especially if I have been stationary for a while. All swelling is gone.

I have the mris but not sure which bits are relevant. According to radiologist it is a partial tear of the acl grade II miniscus tear and possible torn left lateral collateral ligament.

Both doctors have done lachman and pivot shift etc and as of day 10 there is no difference in movement betweeneither injured and healthy knee and a definite point of stop. It doesn't hurt to do although there is a slight ache afterwards. Pushing knee in other directions doesn't hurt.

Therefore their conclusion is miniscus tear minor and grade I max grade II acl tear no lateral tear. Now I start doing quad/hamstring clenches and they both independently say with rehab no surgery needed.

I can stop some activities which severely stress the knee and I can handle whatever rehab. I am quite willing to do surgery so next step is 3rd opinion locally. If I scan the mris and post online maybe u can comment if u have time?

The most pain is actually my other leg which has never had to work so hard so feels like it is burning!

Edited March 18, 2013 by kipstar

[floBoot]

Please don't think i'm a 'know it all' but I can see full names and DOBs on some of the pics posted, even going back almost to the beginning of posts:eek:

You all seem like such a nice bunch on here, would hate to think someone may take advantage:(

[drschwartz]

Kipstar,

Don't think you need a third opinion. Sounds like you are doing the right thing. As I said in my earlier post, the surgery can still be done several months later, with no deterioration in outcome. So, if you have a good exam now, with no detectable instability, and are progressing in terms of strength and pain control, then I would just continue rehab for now. If you start to have a sense of instability with higher function activities like running and sports, then I would get examined again and consider surgery.

Sending me uploaded samples of the MRI wouldn't help much. I would need to see all the images. If you have a disc, and want to send it by snail mail, then PM me, or email me directly and we can discuss. For right now, I would just follow the instructions for rehab and strengthening and see how things shape up over the next couple of months.

[Corey]

I'm bummed I'm posting in here... I have 'heavy soft-tissue damage' where my right side ribs meet my breastbone. It only hurts when I move quickly or take a deep breath, but the motion of putting on a seatbelt in the driver's seat makes my eyes water.

I was having a great day playing around with rapid push-pull/cross-under turns on my 167 VSR. The kind where you're touching your knees to your chest in the transitions and fully extending at the apex. From the tracks in the snow* I came out of a heelside and was airborne over about 15 feet of the run before landing on my chest. I recall that the board did have a little extra pop at the end of the turn and then the toe edge never touched snow until my chest hit. I couldn't get up for a few minutes.

* This happened right under the lift, and you need to ride back up this lift to get to the lodge.

The teeny-tiny bonus is I'm only missing 3 potential riding days before the local resorts close, so it's not like I'm missing half my season. Only about 20%.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Sorry to hear about the bad fall Corey, glad you weren't hurt much worse!!! You will heal fast!

Stay away from the comedy channel for a while.

[Deadshred]

Hey Corey sorry to hear this. I know what it is like to lose a whole season of riding. It stinks!!!! Get better soon so you can race your car with the seat belt on.

[Allee]

Yikes. That doesn't sound like fun. You can swap notes with Dave on "things that I never saw coming" ...

Good time of year to do it if you're going to do it though ... I'm guessing autocross season doesn't start for a little while.

[Corey]

Dave's crash looked way cooler I'd bet! I just kind of flopped over like a dead fish and then slid to stop on my face.

~6 weeks until car racing starts. The only issue is the clutch I need to replace before then... I'll be calling in some favors/paying someone for that one. I don't feel like bench-pressing a transmission!

[keltacer]

Well, had my second check up today with the orthopedic surgeon and the leg is still aligned properly. I began PT about 1.5 weeks ago and I'm making progress. My range of motion in my ankle and knee is still pretty pathetic right now. Seems impossible to me to get to where I was before. I know I'll get there eventually but I'm not even close to seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. It's totally killing my golf season!!! Here's an X-ray from today's visit

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Patients my friend. 2 weeks.

Let it heal

[kieran]

patience is the worst part of being a outpatient. recovering ROM was weird for me. for about a week after the brace was taken off my wrist it was still fairly useless, then i woke up one morning and all my fingers could move properly, and i had about 75% original range. i've got it all back now.

[theboarderdude]

Last night at about midnight harmless(as known on bomber) was involved a crash on highway 70 somewhere in CO. He came over a hill and swerved to avoid a parked semi and hit the median head on. he is doing alright, despite being taken away in a stretcher. he has lots of bruises and a cut from the seat belt. he was on his way to usasa nationals. due to his injuries, he will not be able to ride the rest of this season. please keep him in your thoughts.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Last night at about midnight harmless(as known on bomber) was involved a crash on highway 70 somewhere in CO. He came over a hill and swerved to avoid a parked semi and hit the median head on. he is doing alright, despite being taken away in a stretcher. he has lots of bruises and a cut from the seat belt. he was on his way to usasa nationals. due to his injuries, he will not be able to ride the rest of this season. please keep him in your thoughts.

So glad to hear he is just banged up and not seriously injured. I wish him well!! Please keep us up to date if at all possible.

[drschwartz]

Wow, sorry to hear that. Hope he is ok.

[Jon Dahl]

Dang, I gotta put me up here. Sunday had a stupid fall near the bottom of run at Stevens pass. Left knee severely strained, possible damage to the meniscus again. Know more next Monday after my ortho appointment...

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Dang, I gotta put me up here. Sunday had a stupid fall near the bottom of run at Stevens pass. Left knee severely strained, possible damage to the meniscus again. Know more next Monday after my ortho appointment...

Hey John, sorry to hear of your re-injury. Let us know what the doc has to say. At least you had most of the season?

Take care. Bryan

[Corey]

A quick update: I'm healing really fast. I'm gaining strength and motion quickly, despite not doing anything too special. Certain movements hurt so I avoid those with any force. Light/slow XC skiing was fine, as long as I didn't have to use the poles too hard. Luckily I live in the prairies so there aren't any hills to contend with - LOL! Running is an absolute 'no' as every footfall hurts the chest.

Mine is turning out to be quite minor in comparison to most here. Best wishes to all of the wounded carvers out there!

[k2slopesurfer]

Add me to this one, again. On March 2nd, day after my birthday, I was softy carving on a super wide black with some skier pals. Two fresh inches on perfect cord. Wide 6 lane highway type run, and I am sticking to smaller radius turn on boarder's right. I see a skier stopped on the left hand side and continue my line. Two turns after I saw her stopped, I am on heelside and see her coming straight at me. My only option was to crank a quick toeside. I almost made it. Bottom of my board hit her skis and boots. My helmeted head and face smash into the hill, and my right arm is killing me!

I push myself into a kneeling position to see my buddy with his go pro staring at me. Skier chick has lost her skis and her hubby is looking down at her. She stands up and has zero injuries, but doesn't know how to put her skis on on a slope. Her husband says, "Don't worry, you will get the hang of it honey.":smashfrea I tell my buddy I am ok and board down after the skier chick and hubby leave.

When I get to the bottom, I take off my goggles and have scrapes and cuts on my face and a black, swollen eye.

They are all worried about my eye, but I think I messed up my shoulder. Upside down mountain so I ride the lift up and trudge to Ski Patrol with buddy's wife. I get some ice and a sling, and turn down transport to the ER. Spend the rest of the day chilling in the condo and get a friend to drive my car the 7 hours home the next morning. (My car is a standard, and his got totaled in the lot.)

The next day, at the GP, they do Xrays of elbow and shoulder and tell me no breaks, so sling, drugs, and rest see us in two weeks if not better. Blah Blah blah! Two weeks later, they can't fit me in so I get Ortho referral. He trusts me that something is not right and I get an MRI middle of the next week. Schedule an appointment with Ortho to get results for the following Monday, 1 day shy of a month after my injury. He suspected rotator cuff, but immediately tells me on Monday, that I have some edema and inflammation but no rotator cuff tear. Instead, I have lived and worked for the last month with a non displaced, y-shaped fracture of the humeral head that basically cuts the ball from the rest of it and then cuts the ball itself in two! :angryfireWTH! I have been mowing my grass and all that , and NOW they tell me it is broken! I haven't been taking any meds and my Doc is convinced I am super human. More Xrays in 1 1/2 weeks, and As long as there has not been any migration, I will not need surgery, yet.

By the way, I have video of this and xray and MRI I will upload soon.

Edited April 5, 2013 by k2slopesurfer
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[drschwartz]

Sounds nasty, sorry to hear it. ---but wait, buddy's car got totaled in the lot???!

[live_love_ride]

Has anyone ever passed out after having a cast removed??

As I found myself part of the AIL a few weeks ago from a silly cheap shop fall trying to navigate around people getting off the lift followed by the definite *snap* of my wrist, yesterday marked my 3 week visit to the orth... conveniently located within walking distance (still not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing):rolleyes:

Anywho, I watched as my rather festive purple cast was removed with the “electric pizza cutter” (at least that’s what I call it).... then off to the sink to wash my arm... always a good feeling after a cast comes off and then onto the x-ray tech for more films — just going with the flow of the procedure. Then as I sat waiting for the doc to come in to look at the films and determine what we were going to do next - another cast or splint, something began to feel very VERY wrong. I can best describe it as some kind of strange adrenaline rush where I could feel myself slowly fading. Initially I thought no big deal, it will pass but next thing you know I called out to the tech in a small voice for some water as I thought I was going to pass out and I DID!! I believe the guy caught me just as I was falling over.... TIMBER!!!

I’ve had casts removed before and knee surgery too with no issues so this was all new to me. They had to put a cool compress on my head and once I came to brought me crackers and juice - to which I requested a “bendy-straw” but to no avail (that was pretty funny). :D As I got my wits about me, I looked at the tech - kind of laughing but a bit scared sh*tless too and said “what the hell was that??!!” He explained that it is actually quite common for folks to pass out after a cast removal. There is some medical term for it as he explained and pointed out that is why their reaction was pretty chill. He did note that I did better than most! Not sure what to do with that info but I gotta say the experience was unpleasant to say the least... like you have no control of what your body is going to do and it really freaked me out! :(

So my question to you folks is - have you ever experienced anything like that with having a cast come off??

llr

ps... on the up-note bone and wrist are healing well.... no surgery required :)

Edited April 6, 2013 by live_love_ride

[kieran]

So my question to you folks is - have you ever experienced anything like that with having a cast come off??

i was properly sickened when they took the ex-fix hardware out of my hand, from my wrist break. deep woozy sensation, no gas or drugs involved.

[drschwartz]

That's called a "vaso vagal" reaction. You have a sudden outpouring of vagal nerve stimulus because of the cast being removed. This causes the unfortunate combination of both lowering your heart rate, and dilating your blood vessels. This combination of effects causes a sudden and precipitous drop in blood pressure and you pass out. Usually to the accompanying shouts of "weenie" and "lightweight". Happens most commonly with injections, but any noxious stimulus. As an orthopedic surgeon, I have certainly seen this happen with cast removal, so you are not alone.