My first "hardboot" was some kind of hybrid. It had a shiny black boot, almost like patent leather, and firm soft cuff. Way more support than Sorel or Burton boot. They might have been from Kemper? They totally failed. Was riding total Kemper package then with pink and blue safari inspired Agressor and one of my favorites the Bullet. I think the Kemper 170 Apex, was my first board that really carved, but was too soft for me.