ncermak Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 the stereotyping that anyone who rides softies is knuckledragging low pants long tee wearing fool is simply idiotic. There are people out there who dress normal, and act respectfully, and ride softies. I highly doubt the TGR freestyle park rat crowd will suddenly migrate over here because we now have a softboot forum. I agree with those who say it could be good for business...a gateway. personally, I spend the majority of my time coaching racing in softies. Why? because the kids I am coaching are early in their racing development and have yet to commit to riding plates. In order to help them progress, I want to be riding the same types of line that they can, providing visuals for them on body position, maintain the ability to provide those visuals to both goofy and regular riders (many regular kids get their bodies confused trying to follow a goofy rider). Many will subsequently try hardboots. I am a gateway drug for those kids... besides, if you don't to have an open mind to softies, don't go in that section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindy Kleh Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Just wanted to get my two cents in. I'm a soft booter (knuckledragginparkmonkey) who races, so I'm always interested in anything carve related. I've followed bomberonline discussions for years hopin that someday I can afford to go to hards. Keep bomber pure! It's a hard booter site! There are other sites for softies. There are so many highly educated members here that I learn alot from the threads. I found a slalom board and I'm working on finding hard boots and plate bindings. If I mastered hards, I would be unbeatable in my USASA age group. Of course, I'd need some coaching ... anyone want to sponsor me with these missing elements? Then I could really be one of you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Successful softboot carving forum???: http://www.catek.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=7ade7bdecc03b76f7d0bc089b844c955 last post...Feb '09 23 topics over several years, maybe 200 individual posts. Seems like a softboot carving forum would be a waste of space, unless you are planning on selling softboot - specific carving gear. Even selling some of the best softboot bindings around (just what I hear - haven't ridden soft boots since I blew my achilles) Catek's Softboot carving forum never gained any traction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Successful softboot carving forum???:http://www.catek.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=7ade7bdecc03b76f7d0bc089b844c955 last post...Feb '09 23 topics over several years, maybe 200 individual posts. Seems like a softboot carving forum would be a waste of space, unless you are planning on selling softboot - specific carving gear. Even selling some of the best softboot bindings around (just what I hear - haven't ridden soft boots since I blew my achilles) Catek's Softboot carving forum never gained any traction. BOL has more softboot topics and posts than that just this season. The percentage of hardbooters that didn't start boarding in softboots is tiny. One of the main pieces of advice to noobs here is to learn to carve on your soft gear 1st. I think a section dedicated to that should be a given:smashfrea with the norm article as a required reading sticky thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 As long as you put plates on it an ride with hardboots, no problem. I ride a Volkl Cross, Nitro torque, Burton Fish and a Prior Splitboard all with Bombers. I have been riding plates exclusively for 20+years now and have had to endure very harsh attitudes from skiers and snowboarders alike. Keep Bomber Bomber. If you ride it with plates its allowable it not take it somewhere else. Not at all saying your not welcome here, just accept that this is a site the talks about HARDBOOT SNOWBOARDING and everything to do with it, not softies!Think Snow! I resemble that remark, even my twintip powder boards have stepin plates which is exactly why softys need a separate section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 As long as you put plates on it an ride with hardboots, no problem. I ride a Volkl Cross, Nitro torque, Burton Fish and a Prior Splitboard all with Bombers. I have been riding plates exclusively for 20+years now and have had to endure very harsh attitudes from skiers and snowboarders alike. Keep Bomber Bomber. If you ride it with plates its allowable it not take it somewhere else. Not at all saying your not welcome here, just accept that this is a site the talks about HARDBOOT SNOWBOARDING and everything to do with it, not softies!Think Snow! I don't agree with the exclusive attitude. While Bomber Industries is primarily a plate binding business, most of the members of this forum came from soft boots (and many like myself still do when appropriate). Welcoming new carvers is good business for Fin. Last year at SES I was admiring a carver coming down under the lift. I assumed that he was a hardbooter. When he got closer, I realized that he was in soft boots. I later rode the lift with him and he had the passion for carving as much as I did. Should I have snubbed him? If "separate forum" means collecting soft boot carving threads into their own sub-forum, that may be a good way of sorting information. If it is a form of Apartheid, let's not. Again - let's be inclusive - not exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegtal Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Blablabla… I have been riding plates exclusively for 20+years now and have had to endure very harsh attitudes from skiers and snowboarders alike. Blablabla not softies!Think Snow! So you've got your revenge ? I've been hardbooting from 1991 and switched for softies 3 years ago, I consider myself as an Alpine snowboarder since I (nearly) do the same things now with my current setup. So should I go on another community and learn how to make a mistyflip on a skate banana ? I don't post often because of my bad English (I'm french) but I read BOL almost everyday, hardbooting or sofbooting topics, and you tell to guys like me to go somewhere else with my softies ? I won't. Oh wait a minute, was it a joke ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Rover Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 "Last year at SES I was admiring a carver coming down under the lift. I assumed that he was a hardbooter. When he got closer, I realized that he was in soft boots. I later rode the lift with him and he had the passion for carving as much as I did. Should I have snubbed him?".....posted by John E. Excellent, HUGELY germane point, John E!! I am glad to someone utter those words. I take a lot of pride in my snowboarding skills, and moreover I take as much pride in my carving skills. It's not about what equipment you use to endeavor the carve, it's about the endeavor itself....it's about laying down that perfect carve on a blue sky day, when EVERYTHING seems to connect, and you can do no wrong. It's about those few scant seconds of nirvana...in a Shangra La of your own mind...when the snow, the mountain, gravity and yourself all become one beating entity...the heart of the Carve. If there is a spirit of the carve....softbooters share it also. The snow is not partisan...the mountain is not partisan...nor is the CARVE. Gravity IS life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loc Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 I'd like to see more inclusion in our community and exposure for alpine businesses. Don't be afraid of progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 What I appreciate about this forum is that there are a lot of members who think about snowboarding. Though I have not done an exhaustive search, I've not found another forum where riders think about riding. Most other snowboard sites are big on attitude & short on information. I consider myself an avid boarder - both soft & hard boots. This is the best forum I have found that has members like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tufty Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Ummmm. Who *really* gives a flying **** what gear *other people* are riding as long as they are having fun? Oh, yeah. Twats, that's who. Not only should we not create a separate forum, but "this is not hardboot related" whiny-ass posts should be sanctioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photodad2001 Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 What happens when, as has been discussed on the BOL many times before, a hybrid hoft (sard?) boot comes out. At some point someones going to make a hybrid which forum will they go to? Both! No, they will more than likely be rejected by both sides at which point I'll be all about it and have to get some so I can be different again.:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeho730 Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Breaking my vow of silence (regarding softboot carving) here, just for this time. Although I voted "Yes', I can sympathesize with the both sides of the argument. I agree that Bomber should always be Bobmer, but I do also agree that softboot carvers should be made more welcome here. Come to think of it, gosh, are we beginning to sound like skies now? I honestly cannot predict whether creating the new forum would be good or bad in the long run in our quest to convert softbooters to hardbooters. It may allow more peaceful co-existence between the two groups, but it may also serve to segregate them further. Maybe someday softbooters will start their own SES (Softboot Expression Session)! Finally, I always enjoyed reading Mr Gilmour's informative posts in the carving community, even though I mostly carve on plates now. To think that we would be hearing from Mr Gilmour less often in the main forum saddens me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Just do it already so my bruised ass doesn't have to keep going through these posts. Then i can just ignore the knuckle-draggers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 As long as you put plates on it an ride with hardboots, no problem. I ride a Volkl Cross, Nitro torque, Burton Fish and a Prior Splitboard all with Bombers. I have been riding plates exclusively for 20+years now and have had to endure very harsh attitudes from skiers and snowboarders alike. Keep Bomber Bomber. If you ride it with plates its allowable it not take it somewhere else. Not at all saying your not welcome here, just accept that this is a site the talks about HARDBOOT SNOWBOARDING and everything to do with it, not softies!Think Snow! Ya know, I read this post the other day, and wasn't going to say anything, but I was thinking about this very post today. It bothers me that people really have this kind of thinking. It is very ELETIST, and has such a snotty air to it that it makes people wonder "why" they would even want to come here and post, or be a hardbooter. THere is no pre-requsite to already be in HB and Plates to come to BOL forums. It is about expanding and educating people what Hardboot carving is (as per Jack M's words) all about. WE ARE ALL S N O W B O A R D E R S. We should all work hard on getting MORE people into hardboots, expanding the reach of the hardboot preferance, and dig deep into the soul of the fundementals of what the purpose is ... CARVING. ....and that requires us to embrace the softboot world (and skiers too)for what it is, and draw from that pool to expand this aspect of carving on plates. That having been said, BEER IS BEER... unless it is pussified. I had the displeasure of getting a 6 pack of Rolling Rock in Aspen, and taking a swig and spitting it right back out. I thought it was bad or spoiled, but when I looked, it was NOT brewed in Latrobe, PA but actualy in St. Louis, MO and was only 3.2% Alcohol per Volume as opposed to the norm of 5%. I guess softboots are just watered down hardboots, but its still beer, It just takes a bit more pissing to get the same desired effect. ;) There are softboot forums with carving and race sub forums as well. It is only proper there is a place where softbooters can talk HERE as well without fear of ridicule for having a thread topic involving SB and getting blasted in it. I roll thru the park and get props for doing boxes and jumps in hardboots, they should be shown the same respect for dropping their ass and chest into the snow with pencil thin carved snow tracks behind them as well. RESPECT GETS RESPECT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 After seeing your demostration of snowboard wizardry at SES this year, I feel that you qualifying for the above blanket statement is a bit of a stretch. Think Snow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegtal Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Snowman, I'm sure you're a nice guy… when you're asleep. Luckily, you don't decide here, cause you've got no more power than me (1 vote), so I keep waiting for the results and then will respect the Fin's and community decision. I still hope you're joking… I smiled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 I still hope you're joking…. I'm not. Think Snow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 The fact that we still have elitists that are literally presiding over their own extinction baffles me! I would think that most of us are here because we would like to see more carving and less jibbing on our mtns. I don't care how you carve as long as you aren't scraping the mtn down to a fine icy glaze with your falling leaf I am happy! I have always said that the best way to grow our sport is to attract more riders thru some interaction with other snowboarders and skiers. The elitist snobbery of some is blatantly self serving and harmful to our sport. You all know who you are....... When a gaper jibbermonkey advances beyond the park and realizes that there is a whole mtn there that he is incapable of attacking with style and control he has one place to look and that is us. IF we welcome him in and teach him to carve and show him better and better gear we grow the sport. If we call him a monkey tell him to go back to the park he will in most cases and he will be less inclined to advance his skills. If he can rip on a banana with serrated edges in a duck stance imagine what he can do with real equip. If he stays on said banana and acts as a middle man interpreter to the monkey nation he still is serving a valid purpose. Last but not least I am gravitating away from hard boots for a variety of reasons but that doesnt mean you will ever find me in a park airborne and upside down. I ride better than I ever have on catek fr2's and a coiler x3. It just fits me and my physique/style the best. It is also very versatile in any conditions. I would love to have a forum to talk about soft carving. besides being a crossover area for jibbers its a subniche of our sport that isnt going away. If the Bxer's in vancouver had some hardboot roots and my setup that hard left chopped up corner would not have dumped half of them on their butts. the sittin on the pot jibber stance burned a lot of them. I ride at over 60 degrees in soft boots inspite of the often stated "thats not possible" here on bomber. could I make more powerful carves in hardboots? yes for sure. would I be out on the hill no matter what the conditions are? No A forum would be a great idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 I am on the left in the group foto. you can clearly see the stance and angles of the cateks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroshmero Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 We should all work hard on getting MORE people into hardboots, expanding the reach of the hardboot preferance, and dig deep into the soul of the fundementals of what the purpose is ... CARVING. ....and that requires us to embrace the softboot world (and skiers too)for what it is, and draw from that pool to expand this aspect of carving on plates. Yes, we can embrace them which is why I voted yes. But that doesn't mean we need to talk about softboot stuff on the hard boot forum. Make another forum for soft booters. The hard boot forum should be about hard boot stuff... narrow boards, plastic boots, BTS, plate bindings... all those things are what we should be discussing. Hard booting is such a niche sport and is hard to learn about. Things like stance and cants and all the things that are particular to hard booting are what we should be limiting our discussion to. That's why some threads get moved to Off Topic, because they are not relevant to a discussion of hard booting. I'm all for a place to discuss soft booting. Just don't dilute the value of a place to discuss hard booting only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 If the Bxer's in vancouver had some hardboot roots and my setup that hard left chopped up corner would not have dumped half of them on their butts. the sittin on the pot jibber stance burned a lot of them. I can understand you are frustrated by some of the posts you are responding to and I don't want to loose the just of your post, but get real. That course would have kicked your and your set ups ass and there is no way you could come close to competing with those world class BXers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 I can understand you are frustrated by some of the posts you are responding to and I don't want to loose the just of your post, but get real. That course would have kicked your and your set ups ass and there is no way you could come close to competing with those world class BXers. You may notice on rereading that I said hardboot roots and my setup I said nothing about my big gorrilla as s on a BX course. if you watched the qualifying rounds you would know the corner I am talking about. one after another they sketched out because their butts were 3 feet from the board and below the board. no way to even come close to holding and edge thru the chop. A hardboot body technique and a forward stance would bring the butt and the weight back over the edge and that heelside chopped up corner comes a lot easier! all I'm saying:biggthump oh yeah and the board I am riding is a one off from an oxxess BX board so its just as advanced as what was on that course. props to Bruce and the coiler tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 You may notice on rereading that I said hardboot roots and my setup I said nothing about my big gorrilla as s on a BX course. if you watched the qualifying rounds you would know the corner I am talking about. one after another they sketched out because their butts were 3 feet from the board and below the board. no way to even come close to holding and edge thru the chop. A hardboot body technique and a forward stance would bring the butt and the weight back over the edge and that heelside chopped up corner comes a lot easier! all I'm saying:biggthumpoh yeah and the board I am riding is a one off from an oxxess BX board so its just as advanced as what was on that course. props to Bruce and the coiler tech Yes, I missed the part that you were not riding the set up. I bet a number of them are really good on hardboots but they have to choose the best equipment for the entire BX course. Not sure if plates would have been better for that corner or not, possibly so. I think the ultimate limitation of softboots is the flex in the system, not the body position of the carve. You can still stack your weight on the edge with lower angles just like you can with higher angles. We (Rebecca) possibly have a similar board from Bruce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 I have seen the occasional hardboot setup in BX but they never seem to win. I think the lack of flexibility is the issue there. my setup is the best of both world's in my humble opinion. The guys I watched had no idea how to stack their weight on the edge. They were doing the old barstool pornstar technique and the stool fell over on that corner for a lot of them. there is obviously a missing piece of technique in the BX world:lurk: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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