Ladia Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 Yesterday, last day at Kirkwood. I have my orange bibs Visually impaired printed on. Two idiots, you have a nice costume. What more you can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 16 hours ago, dredman said: I think as skiers start carving more we will see more awareness. Lot more skiers in Europe carving lines like we do. I thought this, but then I was surprised that both you and Sean Martin got nailed in Europe. Two veteran riders, on the same trip, it just seemed to beat the odds. I think the situation isn't as bad at more remote places like Sugarloaf. It attracts a higher caliber of skier since it is inconvenient and further to get to from just about every population center. You have to really want to come here. Not to say it doesn't happen but I've only had a few close calls and no collisions here. I am super diligent about timing my starts with lulls in traffic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nextcarve Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 (edited) We always get shut down. Even if we are alone on the slope, like @dredman was https://www.instagram.com/p/C2Fh2jtolNT/ Edited April 29 by nextcarve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 On 4/28/2024 at 2:44 PM, dredman said: I think as skiers start carving more we will see more awareness. Lot more skiers in Europe carving lines like we do. There are a lot of Good Skiers here, that have been Carving for years...it is the People who equate SPEED with being good, who Ski maybe a week a year, who Bomb down the Hill, hands behind their back, Looking Good till they run over you... They are the Problem...and there are more each season it seems, as the Ski industry adds more Quads and increases Traffic on the slopes... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjnakata Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 29 minutes ago, softbootsurfer said: There are a lot of Good Skiers here, that have been Carving for years...it is the People who equate SPEED with being good, who Ski maybe a week a year, who Bomb down the Hill, hands behind their back, Looking Good till they run over you... They are the Problem...and there are more each season it seems, as the Ski industry adds more Quads and increases Traffic on the slopes... I find those people out especially in the first hour when the groom is the best. They're long gone by noon when there's a little bit of chop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted May 4 Report Share Posted May 4 https://www.durangoherald.com/articles/analyzing-5-years-of-injuries-crashes-and-hit-and-runs-at-colorado-ski-areas/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 Tragic!!! That said this perhaps is a bit of real progress toward solving this epidemic of violence and abandon https://people.com/death-of-skier-killed-collision-with-another-skier-ruled-homicide-8642677 No if only we can get assault charges but sadly as my last article indicates there remains an intentional obfuscation that continues to prevent consequences 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 (edited) Wonder if this stuff would go away if ski areas became privatized, or had private memberships. Sort of like a private membership kind of thing. Not like the Yellowstone club, but like a club for poor six figure earners. Private membership, so people will generally know one another and know not to **** with hit and runs, or just hits. Edited May 7 by Odd Job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 42 minutes ago, Odd Job said: Wonder if this stuff would go away if ski areas became privatized, or had private memberships. Sort of like a private membership kind of thing. Not like the Yellowstone club, but like a club for poor six figure earners. Private membership, so people will generally know one another and know how to **** with hit and runs, or just hits. I think that might only be possible at a place that doesn’t need much or any snowmaking. Or maybe it’s not even possible to make something like that accessible for low 6 figure earners, and have it be a place you would want to invest in. Costs of running a serious ski resort are very high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 Would it be more than ~1 mil a year? Only because I'm sure more than 300 people would be interested in paying $3-5K/year for that kind of membership. Although the Aspen Premier pass is only 3.3K. It's a freaking deal that comes with an Ikon Base pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortcutToMoncton Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 How about putting some responsibility on ski hills to drill this into the brains of their patrons? I have yet to see a lift pole that has “the uphill skier is always responsible” or “we will revoke your pass if you do not ski in control and yield To downhill skiers” stamped on it while we slowly rumble past. I continue to believe that legal action is not the answer to the problem. That is just a world of hurt and terribleness. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) Shopping cart theory. Or, why socialism does not work. There is a non-trival portion of the population that will always not do the right thing. Strict enforcement threatening loss of X (life/finances) would be effective. Loss of a pass would be a deterrent as well, if it is enough of a financial/lifestyle loss for the person. Edited May 7 by Odd Job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 I'm surprised nobody here has brought up the recent tragic death of off duty Jackson Hole Ski Instructor killed in an on mountain collision......now being ruled a Homicide! And however that turns out I doubt it will make any difference/have any impact to our or anybody else's safety on any Mtn. because Resort Skiing and Snowboarding is a dangerous sport with risks that are marginalized as acceptable risk by the resorts and their corporate bean counters. I'm not promoting this approach, but until the ski areas are held responsible for not enforcing and providing safety measures (that hurts their bottom line) they are not going to do anything.... that will decrease their profit margins. In my collision I wasn't even carving or even turning! I was maybe 50 yrds. from the ropes of the lift when a drunk skier launched off a berm and took me out! So maybe the mtn. needs to run speed traps and sobriety checks for starts. On our roads and highways that awareness/anxiety of fines and prosecution does work in the general sense with us law abiding citizens in keeping speeds in check and our roads somewhat safe via overwatch by big brother. https://www.theinertia.com/mountain/a-jackson-hole-mountain-resort-collision-resulted-in-one-death-its-been-ruled-a-homicide/ There's no easy answer or solution....I mean the smart/safe answer would be abstinence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hug Masso Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, barryj said: On our roads and highways that awareness/anxiety of fines and prosecution does work in the general sense with us law abiding citizens in keeping speeds in check and our roads somewhat safe via overwatch by big brother. My opinion on that is that still, while severe consequences can be had for doing the asshole on the street, there are still LOTS of idiots speeding, taking roundabouts as if the were World Rally Championship Show Stage racers, and tons of mother****ers who still take out grandmas and children on a regular basis. Thats just human nature in part. I do NOT expect same people (sometimes worse, as in “rich douchebag agressively driving in his Range Rover”, or sometimes some teenager or stoner) that do ski to not do the same thing on the slope, and therefore do crash on people, being us, on top of that, some of the ones who expose ourselves more. As I said before, I belive we do all need to check at all times. Edited May 7 by Hug Masso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 More people, More Accidents, add the Belief, that “I won’t have an Accident” whether hauling ass on road or mountain and the results are always the same…a painful reality, like I have mentioned before, I was told by the perpetrators, the last two times I was knocked out “ you have no right to turn like that !! so that is what and where we are…People who don’t bother to consider others as they do stupid shit…I wonder how many here? Drive and Text on their phones, thinking they can handle that, while our highways have become littered with dead humans…it really has become a Timing thing, the more places you put yourself, the greater the chance of being in the Wrong place at the Wrong Time… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 (edited) Remember folks. Positive thinking is deadly thinking. Most Americans have an extremely optimistic mindset . I could not imagine living the way most people do with the income they earn. Just completely irresponsible. And it reflects in their endeavors on the road and mountain. Edited May 8 by Odd Job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 @barryj That is a tragic event but again perhaps a way forward if we see some prosecution of these idiots I had another thought - how about reactive body armor You hit me and the explosion kills you 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 If cam technology ever gets minuscule enough to just be integrated onto a helmet for court footage.... Because the only way people will believe you, especially in a x said, y said situation is, footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Congestion, lack of clearly communicated safety standards, lack of enforcement of said standards. Given the development of technology it isn't difficult to envision a network of cameras served by a AI system that impartially monitors, warns and ultimately revokes the lift passes of anybody violating safety standards. People are understandably uncomfortable with this kind of monitoring (especially given the potential abuses), but the ski areas could pledge to not share the data with any external entities except for law enforcement serving a warrant? This kind of system would likely be able to be just as open to being lenient depending on conditions; open black slope with no other riders: knock yourself out, green slope with congestion: just keep your speed down. It doesn't have to be a zero fault system, just weed out the smooth-brained star-fish gapers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 I am working on a Helmet Lazer, the problem so far, is it is removing people from the chairlift as I go under, while removing people in general is a good thing, the main purpose of course was simply to evaporate anyone that comes within a 40 ft. on the run, also the back pack with batteries weighs 400 lbs. and can only be used once before a recharge…the prototype seems to work though our cat Zinc, has been missing since the last time I tried it 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortcutToMoncton Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) 21 hours ago, st_lupo said: Congestion, lack of clearly communicated safety standards, lack of enforcement of said standards. Given the development of technology it isn't difficult to envision a network of cameras served by a AI system that impartially monitors, warns and ultimately revokes the lift passes of anybody violating safety standards. People are understandably uncomfortable with this kind of monitoring (especially given the potential abuses), but the ski areas could pledge to not share the data with any external entities except for law enforcement serving a warrant? This kind of system would likely be able to be just as open to being lenient depending on conditions; open black slope with no other riders: knock yourself out, green slope with congestion: just keep your speed down. It doesn't have to be a zero fault system, just weed out the smooth-brained star-fish gapers. Sounds wonderful. Let’s introduce it on the roads too!! Panopticon for all! Edited May 9 by ShortcutToMoncton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 22 hours ago, st_lupo said: @st_lupo Those promises are less than meaningless It's called discovery and very easy to get a copy of any & all video they may have As soon as the video exists it will be used in ways you might not like and I am not spouting any conspiracy nonsense. Think about per run peak pricing just to start down the what could go wrong path 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, neanderthal said: @st_lupo Those promises are less than meaningless It's called discovery and very easy to get a copy of any & all video they may have As soon as the video exists it will be used in ways you might not like and I am not spouting any conspiracy nonsense. Think about per run peak pricing just to start down the what could go wrong path I never would have thought that would be in the cards, but I guess they are trying out peak pricing for fast food… I can’t understand how people would stand for that. Still, some form for enforcement of safety standards (ski patrol and pulling passes) would be preferable to litigation or just letting the problem grow, but ski areas don’t seem to want to employ any more people unless they can sell you something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chouinard Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 3 hours ago, st_lupo said: some form for enforcement of safety standards (ski patrol and pulling passes) would be preferable to litigation I have asked ski patrol to address issues and been told they are not there for rule enforcement. We cannot legally drive a vehicle on the road without a driver’s assessment. Among other things it protects the government from endless lawsuits from accidents involving incapable drivers. I wonder what would happen if a ski areas protective liability veil was lifted resulting in lawsuits against the ski area due to their admission of incapable users, impaired users and reckless users. It might lead to a users qualification system and pitch restrictions via rfid tags in addition to deterrence knowing the ski area has an heightened risk and therefore governance of the behavior of their customers. Only two ways to solve a problem. Control the inputs or become robust to the outputs. I would prefer input controls rather than loading up with impact gear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 On 5/7/2024 at 11:37 PM, Odd Job said: If cam technology ever gets minuscule enough to just be integrated onto a helmet for court footage.... Because the only way people will believe you, especially in a x said, y said situation is, footage. https://www.ray-ban.com/usa/ray-ban-meta-smart-glasses?cid=PM-SGA_000000-1.US-RayBanStories-EN-B-NA-Related-Exact-Prs-NA-Ecom-NA_RayBan_Related_ray+ban+camera+glasses&s_kwcid=AL!16196!3!676854207497!e!!g!!ray ban camera glasses!15590003234!133748971880&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw6PGxBhCVARIsAIumnWaUPOsa7vnonPD3FYrHQ6QGAe4v4b0FJ92ZZPJZVQ7m60M48lFJg84aAh6GEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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