bobdea Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Someone (Bola) said deeluxe has a plate binding they are gonna bring to market? Anyone seen it? Guessing they are showing it at the trade shows..... Links, pics would be appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 On 2/1/2019 at 10:59 PM, bobdea said: Someone (Bola) said deeluxe has a plate binding they are gonna bring to market? Anyone seen it? Guessing they are showing it at the trade shows..... Links, pics would be appreciated. Looks like it's a rebadged F2. Kimcarving's blog has a post with pictures- https://m.blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=kimcarving&logNo=221454089947&navType=tl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) Hmm.......Looks a lot like a striped down version of the old Oxygen O1's I had a couple of pairs from back in the late 90's ........they held up pretty well...........don't think I got rid of them until after 2012 or so. Womder what their Center Disk looks like? Surprised nobody's produced anything more technologically advanced after all these years Guess it's cheaper to go with a known production than incur the cost to retool a whole new design. Edited February 5, 2019 by barryj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, barryj said: Hmm.......Looks a lot like a striped down version of the old Oxygen O1's What? They look exactly like F2s, Bazza! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Nope... F2's Deeluxe F2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Such innovation! The F2 really is the gold standard. It sits in about the right place for the durability:price and flex scales for most riders. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe T Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 One of my complaints of the F2s are the t-nuts and their tendency to bend, crack or break. Depending on your cant lift setup, the screws that it comes with may leave quite a few threads unthreaded into the t-nut. This may cause additional stress to the t-nuts. I’d be curious how often high level racers change these out. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is one part that might get modded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Didn't say it was a Oxygen...just that the adjustability design looked a lot like the O1 Oxygen. The original photo LB posted of the manual binding looks old school lke the Oxygen 01 That step in version looks pretty cool and more burly............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 If it's just a re-badge F2 then the above. Would love to see any actual Deeluxe improvement. The center cap looks to be screw down so you don't lose it. Similar to the SG's version of F2 binding. it address quite a bit of F2 short coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe T Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 The ease of installation (e.g. swapping on boards) and sizing adjustments is one things that I do like about it. Although some of the adjustment settings have also been known to loosen on me over time. They periodically need to be tightened up. Not sure how old this design is but I think I have heard that its lineage is that of a rental binding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 56 minutes ago, Gabe T said: Not sure how old this design is but I think I have heard that its lineage is that of a rental binding. I can believe that given the ease of adjustment for different boot lengths. Would have been nice to see Deeluxe come out with a new binding design, but I imagine they think there's not enough market to support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, pow4ever said: y tho I'm guessing DeeLuxe wanted a plate binding it could sell with those new Ground Control boots. Outside of the dust cap those bindings look EXACTLY the same as the F2s so my guess is that F2 makes them and DeeLuxe is just a re-seller in this situation. Much like: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe T Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 I don’t believe the disc covers are even ‘new’. F2 also had that cover design in their earlier models where you needed a Phillips head to install/remove. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLN Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Gabe T said: One of my complaints of the F2s are the t-nuts and their tendency to bend, crack or break. Depending on your cant lift setup, the screws that it comes with may leave quite a few threads unthreaded into the t-nut. This may cause additional stress to the t-nuts. I’d be curious how often high level racers change these out. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is one part that might get modded. I think I was following Everett Mc Evan on insta, and he recently posted that he broke 3rd bail in past 3 weeks. Of course he got several pairs of bindings in rotation. I think most of the people (myself included) replaced T-nuts and check em from time to time. However bail can break too, and there's no solution for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 So anyone else hate the adjustable bail height on the intec titaniums? Bastards always loosen up after a few days and need readjusting. Even using the.correct loctite didnt work, finally swapped em out for the older style bails that can flip back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 hours ago, lonbordin said: I'm guessing DeeLuxe wanted a plate binding it could sell with those new Ground Control boots. Great point! I get that part. However I am thinking from an "educated" end user/consumer why would I want to buy this instead of F2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe T Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, michael.a said: So anyone else hate the adjustable bail height on the intec titaniums? Bastards always loosen up after a few days and need readjusting. Even using the.correct loctite didnt work, finally swapped em out for the older style bails that can flip back. One hack that I’ve heard of but have never tried myself is to put a dab of glue from a glue gun to secure the position of the wheel that adjusts the height. Presumably it can be chipped off fairly cleanly should it ever need to be readjusted. I was riding on the chair with a fellow carver the other week when I noticed something peculiar on his topsheet. He had drawn an arc shaped arrow with a sharpie next to his binding. When I asked about it, apparently it was to remind him what direction to turn the wheel in order to tighten it! Sounded like one of those frequent pain in the ass tasks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, pow4ever said: Great point! I get that part. However I am thinking from an "educated" end user/consumer why would I want to buy this instead of F2? Because you just bought Deeluxe boots, of course. Same reason you'd buy the Kessler or Oxess rebrands of F2 bindings... Probably same reason you'd buy SG bindings, also, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe T Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 hours ago, TLN said: I think I was following Everett Mc Evan on insta, and he recently posted that he broke 3rd bail in past 3 weeks. Of course he got several pairs of bindings in rotation. I think most of the people (myself included) replaced T-nuts and check em from time to time. However bail can break too, and there's no solution for that. I have done this as well. Front foot on a standard Race Titanium. The bail was from the heel block. 3 in a week is kind of ridiculous though. Luckily I came out of the binding at fairly low speed near the end of my run. I’m not exactly sure when it actually broke. It’s possible that it happened earlier in the run but there was still enough pressure to hold my boot in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 minute ago, daveo said: Because you just bought Deeluxe boots, of course. Same reason you'd buy the Kessler or Oxess rebrands of F2 bindings... Probably same reason you'd buy SG bindings, also, really. Don't remind me this el-cheapO is still losing sleep/crying over the money lol.. SG binding made IMHO improvements to F2 which to me make a better product is why I bought it. Does Oxess/Kessler/Deeluxe rebranding of F2 have similar "hard improvement" or it's just superficial/cosmetic change? So far the information show it's just the later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 It's just a rebrand as far as I can see. Yeah the SG made some improvements. But Meh. Not worth double the price. Can get F2 from Alexey for EUR145 delivered. In saying that, I'll probably try the SG bindings at some stage haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terekhov Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Gabe T said: One of my complaints of the F2s are the t-nuts and their tendency to bend, crack or break. simplest solution I've testing for 11yrs - going flat, and not any problem with t-nuts ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) Even with flat setup t-nuts are breaking, been there seen that, last time last week Edited February 6, 2019 by pokkis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terekhov Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, pokkis said: Even with flat setup t-nuts are breaking, been there seen that, last time last week imnsho it is possible only if it was inherently bad t-nuts, or was preused with anglers (in that case it will DEFINITELY break, any shims will break t-nuts on installation already!). and... all can be broken if you will be determined enough! after leaving cant/lift hell in 2008 - I ride f2races (many sets, rotated), and only breaks was 1-2 bails per season (I'm 95kg, prefer older thin bails, ride off-piste for 90%) Edited February 6, 2019 by terekhov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2012Alpine1 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 SITD3 3 pairs never had a problem!! Da best!! At least for free carving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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