barryj Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Big Props to my boy Nevin!! Silver medalist Sochi 2014 turns in a Gold medal performance PGS 2018!! https://fansided.com/2018/02/24/olympic-snowboarding-results-mens-parallel-giant-slalom-final-scores-medal/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Anybody slow-mo the men's semi finals? Kosir was robbed. Look at the replay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePeonsChamp Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Yeah, @Kimo I thought so too. It was unbelievable close and Kosir was ahead until the very end. Its too bad the courses seemed bias for the red side too. Nevin was riding out of his mind too! I love watching him ride he's so clean in his movements. This vid is one of my all-time favorites, I just love the song played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 15 minutes ago, Kimo said: Anybody slow-mo the men's semi finals? Kosir was robbed. Look at the replay. Kimo.....lets not take anything away from Nevin.........your referring to the semi between Kosir and the S. Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 So who really won this race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, barryj said: Kimo.....lets not take anything away from Nevin.........your referring to the semi between Kosir and the S. Korean I'm not talking about Nevin. I'm saying Kosir was robbed in the semis, not that I'm blaming Lee. Edited February 26, 2018 by Kimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, ThePeonsChamp said: Yeah, @Kimo I thought so too. It was unbelievable close and Kosir was ahead until the very end. Its too bad the courses seemed bias for the red side too. Totally agree. I don't follow racing, but it seems to me that if one course is so biased, what's the point of racing? Hoping the racer on the obviously faster course will screw up? That's not the kind of racing I want to spend any of my time watching. Maybe Dave Winters or Sean Martin would like to weigh in on this. Edited February 26, 2018 by Kimo grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Look at it the other way. You accept the course favours the red course. The Korean on blue is essentially a match for Kosir on red in spite of that bias. So Kosir is robbed when the race is awarded to the Korean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, SunSurfer said: Look at it the other way. You accept the course favours the red course. The Korean on blue is essentially a match for Kosir on red in spite of that bias. So Kosir is robbed when the race is awarded to the Korean? Yeah, I mentioned that on another board. I think if Lee had been on the red course, Lee probably would have beaten Kosir hands down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cin Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm quite the newbie on the parallel slalom racing.. but isn't it usually so that they do 2 runs, to even out the bias? Great to see that Nevin won, I have watched many of his video's. He is one of those guys that make things look easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Kimo said: So who really won this race? Lee won. This is not a photo finish camera. It is a broadcast camera and it is not perfectly aligned for this sort of analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 There is no photo finish camera on finish line, rider must just cut laser beam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 The only question is at what height is the laser beam ? Your arm is on an angle but the hands are at different levels. Looks like two beams but they don't provide a curtain or wall of coverage. You have to be lucky to place your hand in exactly the right place. I've seen Bond do it many times ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishsurfer Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 better to have a combined system of laser and photo finish, primarily use the laser but have the photo finish as a back up for situations like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 There was no issue here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Every competitor should have run the same course and placings should have been decided on time...very unfair comp petition IMHO...especially for the Olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Yeah, the apparent disparity in blue and red courses was very disappointing. Agree with 1xsculler that running the same course for time would have been more fair. Would also like to see courses with more variation: a difficult left turn could be balanced by a difficult right turn to keep things even for both regular and goofy riders. The r/l symmetrical courses are kind of artificial IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noschoolrider Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 On 2/25/2018 at 8:33 PM, Kimo said: I don't follow racing, but it seems to me that if one course is so biased, what's the point of racing? Hoping the racer on the obviously faster course will screw up? That's not the kind of racing I want to spend any of my time watching. Maybe Dave Winters or Sean Martin would like to weigh in on this. In the qualifier, every racer had one run on each course (red and blue) and their qualifying time was the combined time of those two runs (see the images below). The racer with the fastest qualifying time got to choose which course they wanted in each final (1/8, 1/4, semi, small & big). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) The qualification times for each rider and both courses is interesting data. Haven't done formal stat's on it but it fails an intra-ocular traumatic test for Red course being clearly faster at time of qualifying. That said, this race format sure raises the stakes in setting a qualifying time! It appeared that often the faster of any two riders in qualification chose the Red course for head to head racing. So why would they choose Red? Better light? more shade to keep the snow cooler and firmer? ???? Edited February 27, 2018 by SunSurfer Correct typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noschoolrider Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, SunSurfer said: That said, this race format sure raises the stakes it setting a qualifying time! It definitely does. 1 hour ago, SunSurfer said: It appeared that often the faster of any two riders in qualification chose the Red course for head to head racing. So why would they choose Red? Better light? more shade to keep the snow cooler and firmer? ???? The majority of the faster qualifying times you see on the Blue course were from the racer's first run. As more racers ran the courses it became apparent that the Red course was holding up better (the Blue course deteriorated faster). It looked like the snow was softer in some places on the Blue course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimo Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, noschoolrider said: Edited February 27, 2018 by Kimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimo Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, noschoolrider said: In the qualifier, every racer had one run on each course (red and blue) and their qualifying time was the combined time of those two runs (see the images below). The racer with the fastest qualifying time got to choose which course they wanted in each final (1/8, 1/4, semi, small & big). Thanks, but that is not at all what I was questioning. Edited February 27, 2018 by Kimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noschoolrider Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) On 2/27/2018 at 1:43 PM, Kimo said: Thanks, but that is not at all what I was questioning. In my opinion, the information I posted shows it was a fair race and I thought that information also addressed your question "if one course is so biased, what's the point of racing?". However, it helps if you understand the importance of the two run qualifiers and then consider the following: In every pairing in the finals, the racer with the faster qualifying time was in the Red course. So, from a mathematical (and commonsense) perspective it should be no surprise that approximately 96% of the races (in the finals) were won on the Red course. That does not prove the Red course had an unfair advantage - it simply shows a logical pattern that the faster racer (from qualifying) won most of the time. Also, the photo you posted of the semi-final between Kosir (on the Red course) and Lee (on the Blue course) is actually additional evidence that the courses were reasonably equal. Kosir was the second fastest qualifier (1:24.97) and Lee was the third fastest qualifier (1:25.06). Then, consider the medal results: In the Men's event the person with the fastest qualifying time won Gold, the person with the third fastest qualifying time won Silver and person with the second fastest qualifying time won Bronze. In the Ladies' event the person with the fastest qualifying time won Gold, the person with the third fastest qualifying time won Silver and person with the fifth fastest qualifying time won Bronze. The second fastest qualifier (Zavarzina) fell in the semi-final and fell in the small-final so she placed fourth. I watched the entire event and (in my opinion) the race was fair/unbiased. The bottom line is, the qualifiers are more significant than most people think they are. Edited March 1, 2018 by noschoolrider 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 So top four qualifiers in men placed top four in finals. Top five women place in top four finals. Seems fair to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, carvedog said: So top four qualifiers in men placed top four in finals. Top five women place in top four finals. Seems fair to me. I appreciate that somebody cleared this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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