~tb Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 So after a weekend of riding some new donek boards, new donek boards with plates, old glass/carbon/kevlar boards, and old boards with plates, I walked away with a puzzle in my head: FOR THOSE OF YOU QUALIFIED TO ANSWER (AKA, you have ridden a plate system, and you have ridden a recent metal board), If you could either have one metal board of your choosing, or one non-metal board, but with a plate system, which would it be? The metal board could never be used with any plate or modifier, the non-metal board with a plate system, you could use with or without the plate. Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwings Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Edit: deleted everything after edit2... haha Edit #2: I need to work on my reading skills... 1 board metal, or 1 board glass+plate... answered as if maybe you had a glass quiver of 4+ boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Metal all the way. It already has enhanced edge hold and dampness. Plate would add those features to a glass board, but would add unnecessary weight and compromise low speed / low performance handling to some extent. For the record, I'm a plate maker too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffV Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 This is kind of the same thing as if you could only have 1 board what would it be. Metal over a plate. My Schtubby 171 hands down I still have yet to try a plate on an older glass board. I'd love to try a plate on a 180 Madd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 never mind. forgot my 184gs isn't a metal. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 not much ice to benefit from metal with here, but lots of bad grooming and snowplough moguls. plate wins. ?????? uhhhhhh, metal boards destroy on ice. just a FYI. edit:I'm retarded and mis-read your post, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 There are so few people that have ridden both a plate and a new-school fiberglass board that you're not going to get many opinions. Snowman? Pukas? Who makes fiberglass boards with new-school geometry? Donek, Virus, anyone else? From only experiencing one plate on two different metal boards (Coiler 182 and 167) and an old Volkl RT 178, I'll pick metal by a huge margin. That's really not a fair comparison though. I'm really interested to try some of the new shapes in fiberglass at SES, with and without a plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Kessler with an Apex plate ,SG and Donek are probably the only true test yet for plate board matched sets but i'm pretty sure no one has nailed down the perfect combination and i would bet it's another gold medal away before anyone can claim they have the perfect plate board! What a plate can do for any board is dramatic. Makes older Glass boards behave user friendly. And reduces nose oscillation on new metal dramatically.So the question you really pose is, Can new metal boards performance be enhanced by using a plate? Yes! Maybe we should backtrack and redesign the perfect glass board for a plate then the perfect metal board with a plate. And then................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colintkemp Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Metal. (Of course, I have only ridden plates on metal boards, so don't really have the experience (e.g., as Snowman) necessary to give an informed answer.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 The fruit stripe base proto from last spring was a glass VSR, fun board, lots of juice and a variable SCR.i've only had 4 runs on that board, with the plate. i want a parachute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Been on 20+ metal boards (Coiler, Donek, Kessler, Prior) and 3 plates (Apex, Donek, Hangl). (Do Tinkler plates count? Been on that too; the ride was more Hangl-ish than Conshox-ish) Metal, metal, metal. Did I say metal? Simply put, I've found plates to be a tradeoff... faster acceleration, better edge grip on ice, better contact with the hardpack when covered with crud, at the expense of agility, nimbleness, flickability, feeling for snow, ability to recover from certain mistakes. Metal boards, the only tradeoff I have experienced has come when I have to fork over an extra few hundred bucks to buy it. I just like the way metal boards behave. They're so much fun, all the time, nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane groshong Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Recently had some time on a standard construction board with a plate. Not convinced in the least, actually very disappointed. Go metal all the way. Most will find that the plate only gives you a nice feel, but does not directly enhance your riding performance. Great boards already have a nice feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Didn't ride a plate yet. But I don't ride glass boards any more. But yeah a metal board then if I have to make a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Sorry TB, got to throw a wrench in the machine here First , exponentially more riders have experienced metal board vs plates. Especially the newer plate systems. That said, it is going to be very biased toward metal boards. Although I do enjoy metal boards and without question they are a huge advancement overal. I also have been a plate user / believer when it was still being poo hoo'd) That said, my favorite board is not metal and is the older plate system, however, it is more importantly both a TNT (split tip and tail) AND Snow Stix system. It is frickin amazing what it can do. Wrench placed. As a result: I will take a glass board built by Mike with a plate and sno stix any day over metal. It is that good. This is why the video of Mike riding will always be from a distance. His latest board / system is fricking amazing. Only question now is how I am going to pay for it!!!!!!!! Damn. I will be ramping up the sales again in two weeks. The combination of all these things is being tested, mine will hopefully be built soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 First , exponentially more riders have experienced metal board vs plates. Especially the newer plate systems. That said, it is going to be very biased toward metal boards. Not if people follow the rules, and only vote if they have personal experience with both metal boards and newer plate systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Not if people follow the rules, and only vote if they have personal experience with both metal boards and newer plate systems. Good point Mike, I think that is asking allot. So Geoff and Hans didn't get to vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Recently had some time on a standard construction board with a plate. Not convinced in the least, actually very disappointed. Go metal all the way. Most will find that the plate only gives you a nice feel, but does not directly enhance your riding performance. Great boards already have a nice feel. With a little luck we will have another plate system for you to try soon. I think you will like it. Sorry, I can not offer any additional details. None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Who makes fiberglass boards with new-school geometry? Donek, Virus, anyone else? Coiler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyzcanuck Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Who makes fiberglass boards with new-school geometry? Donek, Virus, anyone else? For past 2 seasons, F2's Equipe version of the Speedster has been made with multiple SCRadii and decambered nose/tail (vario-camber) in a wood & glass construction only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 There are so few people that have ridden both a plate and a new-school fiberglass board that you're not going to get many opinions. Snowman? Pukas?Who makes fiberglass boards with new-school geometry? Donek, Virus, anyone else? QUOTE] OXESS!! I got an Hybrid BX163 full carbon top that smokes!!! Fastest board I got.. then again its 14.5m sidecut. Its been a wicked surprise to date.. Its damp as metal as far as vibration and edge hold on ice.. but its got a bit more pop.. Its fun as hell too.. Cant choose right now I have an SGP plate on a metal Coiler VSR 163 and its like ridding an Old DeVille with broken shocks.. real cushy!! RSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane groshong Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I am not sure but this thread has the feeling it is going to get messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~tb Posted January 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 didnt expect this thread to go this way. I guess I am one of the lucky few that has gotten to play with this many combinations this quickly. over the weekend, I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the Donek plate system. I was further surprised by how it felt on a non-metal decambered VSR board. It got me to thinking about whether or not I really would want a metal if I could only have one or the other. I was also surprised that I did not have any of the issues with the plate that the others sighted. Low speed handling was not a problem, stopping was not a problem. I even found "flickability" to be increased as I had higher confidence that the next turn would "stick" even in the crud on the edge of a trail. . . Maybe I just got lucky with my first set up of the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I think the biggest adjustment to riding a plate is simply trusting the board to be there for you. The rest of the adjustment to riding plates comes by riding plates more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Tat Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Coiler. I may be wrong here, but last time I checked Bruce was pretty exclusively making metal boards. That is with the exception of the carbon fibre Angrry 160/ Madd158 that is an open secret on here. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queequeg Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I may be wrong here, but last time I checked Bruce was pretty exclusively making metal boards. That is with the exception of the carbon fibre Angrry 160/ Madd158 that is an open secret on here.Dave My understanding is that there are a few well-loved modern decks out there without the metal that bruce made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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