digger jr Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Thanks. Did you cut and drill the carbon fiber yourself? Never worked with carbon. Pretty easy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Yep, i did, but it is messy, need proper protection and ventilation. And diamond tools. Now waiting quote for new set of plates as ready cut from factory, need to do few more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 From the Netherlands: http://www.snowchamps.nl/nieuws/de-sanki-voegt-een-verende-ophanging-toe-aan-je-snowboard Put that URL into translate.google.com. Looks interesting but I can't get to the translation at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Oh, it looks like not many bought into the idea: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sankiboard-snowboard-suspension-gadget#/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 By the way, my Boiler Plate is for sale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger jr Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Pokkis, Saw your CF plates in the new board section. Would you mind posting here, so we can have a better look? It looks like they turned out nice. I've done nothing yet for CF, but have possibly found some stock that might work. Are yours 5mm thick? Thanks, Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Sorry bout delay, been on carving for last 12 days :) I'm using 6mm material for carving, 5mm for my wife and 5 mm for my soft setup. Center holes are in 10mm steps to adjust stance and for toe and heel pieces i have on other plate angles 50 and 60 and on othere 55 and 65. So that will cover all angles i use. Naturally they can be drilled to any required. She has only 50/55 and due her small boot size heel receiver is Bomber one due it is shortest ( i would use that also but i have only one set). Edited December 12, 2016 by pokkis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 I hadn't ridden my Bomber Boiler Plate 4mm Light in about a year and was thinking of selling it. Then yesterday, the local bump had its opening day. I assume they have a new groomer operator. Wow, like a Detroit street! Ice, holes, waves, ridges, you name it. It sucked. Then I remembered that I had the BP in the car. Put that on the trusty new (to me) Donek Rev 163 and had a great day! Well, I still fell a lot because now I was overconfident, but I went from thinking about going home early to riding for 3 more hours. If I could absorb enough with my knees to keep the board on the snow, it just worked. Once airborne, the plate didn't help at all! ;) Not the best start to my season, but a good day of learning. My plate is not for sale, sorry! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 And as your knees get older, and with climate change snow conditions will gradually worsen, you'll appreciate an isolation/isocline plate more and more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted December 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 Well said Corey and Sun Surfer!!! So early season I decided to use another board to make sure I didn't damage my favorite Tinkler Alpine board. After riding around for an hour or so I was getting banged around and decided the conditions looked good enough to get the board that was set up with a full system plate . It just smoothed it out so well I was back to enjoying the groomers like it was hero snow again!! It works so well , I am spoiled!! Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted December 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 On 12/8/2016 at 6:27 AM, corey_dyck said: From the Netherlands: http://www.snowchamps.nl/nieuws/de-sanki-voegt-een-verende-ophanging-toe-aan-je-snowboard Put that URL into translate.google.com. Looks interesting but I can't get to the translation at the moment. With some modifications I think this is a valid concept. I would lower it, probably turn one of the leaf springs around and incorporate a "Sliding Mount" to one end. Thinner plate, probably without a slit in it to start. Definitely too much leverage against a soft boot set up. I think this has some validity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 Funny to me that so few have actually understood what and when a plate is the perfect tool no matter your level of riding or $$$ invested in boards. It can always enhance performance. Haven't made one for the Skwal ..... yet ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 For me, it's not a matter of not knowing that a plate would help; it's a matter that I don't like the numb/disconnected feel for 95% of my riding. It'll stay in my car for those 5% of situations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) On 12/26/2016 at 11:35 AM, corey_dyck said: For me, it's not a matter of not knowing that a plate would help; it's a matter that I don't like the numb/disconnected feel for 95% of my riding. It'll stay in my car for those 5% of situations. Try setting it up next time with fixed axle at the front, between the ball of your foot and the last bone in your big toe. Set the rear axle so that, if possible, the bindings are equidistant from the plate centre and their nearest axle. This gives a very direct feel under the front foot. For many riders this will mean setting their plate at the maximum interaxle distance their UPM/4X4 inserts can manage. I now have a number of old boards with an extra set of inserts to allow a UPM plate to have a 68cm interaxle distance. Edited December 31, 2016 by SunSurfer Add detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Bringing topic back to life.... I have checked the slow motions of last Worldcup races and the massive use of Allflex plates... Now the boards don't even bend in an arc because they are blocked by the plate...and the design of the races has evolved to a less curvy path where the riders just throw the boards from side to side parallel to the slope's direction... ( I admire the skills/fitness/ training / stamina it takes to do it, but I find it not very sexy/stylish...) I think we are going again in the direction where plates are going to be less usable for the recreational riders that want to arc tight turns, or see a separation from racing plates and freecarver's plates ( for those who uses them ( still lots don't because they are heavy, too high...)).. what's your thought about it? Nils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Nils, have you tried Gecko's, they are light and work great for carving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 The most limiting factor ( i believe ) in the understanding and acceptance of the original hinge and slide concept of a plate is the ability of most to actually try one in both good and bad conditions without having to spend many $$$ and time invested. For those who ride ideal conditions there isn't much of an incentive to improve ones ability to ride in less than ideal conditions. For we ice coasters the opportunity to ride adverse conditions should be an incentive to own a dedicated board with a plate. As far as considering the Gecko's as an alternative to a tradition plate i consider it more of a dampener . The principal idea behind a true hinge and slide plate it to allow a board to do what it's designer has designed it to do without creating flat areas that contact the snow and alter the true geometry of the boards design. Brian's image of the above plate suggests to me that it's ride would create the diving board effect perhaps ok for trained racers (even usable as a tool in ones quiver ) but not ideal for recreational use. I would encourage anyone who rides in less than ideal conditions to aquire a plate and use it when everyone says the conditions are poor due to either ice or chop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, nils said: I have checked the slow motions of last Worldcup races and the massive use of Allflex plates... Now the boards don't even bend in an arc because they are blocked by the plate... The Allflex plate center linkage seems to be designed to lock out with very little board deflection. Like a flex limiter. Maybe it keeps the board from bending too far? Doesn't seem like a feature I'd want when freecarving. The new Vist plate appears to have something similar to limit how far the center of the board can bend away from the plate before the plate also starts bending. 1 hour ago, lowrider said: The most limiting factor ( i believe ) in the understanding and acceptance of the original hinge and slide concept of a plate is the ability of most to actually try one in both good and bad conditions without having to spend many $$$ and time invested. That's exactly what led to me buying a Donek plate! I rode with one for about half a day in Aspen in a day with many slush piles. It was ok. Then I returned the plate and went out for another run as the Demo tent was shutting down. OMG, I didn't know how much the plate was helping! Before, I was arcing all over, but without the plate I was having to work exponentially harder to carve. I called Sean with my credit card # immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piusthedrcarve Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, nils said: Bringing topic back to life.... I have checked the slow motions of last Worldcup races and the massive use of Allflex plates... Now the boards don't even bend in an arc because they are blocked by the plate...and the design of the races has evolved to a less curvy path where the riders just throw the boards from side to side parallel to the slope's direction... ( I admire the skills/fitness/ training / stamina it takes to do it, but I find it not very sexy/stylish...) I think we are going again in the direction where plates are going to be less usable for the recreational riders that want to arc tight turns, or see a separation from racing plates and freecarver's plates ( for those who uses them ( still lots don't because they are heavy, too high...)).. what's your thought about it? Nils Bryan (oldsnowboard.com) posted an interesting article from AllBoardSports in Alpine Snowboard Trader in FB. http://allboardssports.com/updated-thoughts-on-snowboard-plates-alpine-snowboard-plates/ Interesting to see what comes after PyongChang Olympic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamifumi Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Quote I have checked the slow motions of last Worldcup races and the massive use of Allflex plates... Now the boards don't even bend in an arc because they are blocked by the plate... I had Allflex plate and I liked it and hated it at same time. With the plate, you need to be always charging as it makes the board very stiff. Where the plate shined is through crud, ice condition or when you are charging hard. I could not justify keeping it as I am freecarver and not racer so I sold it. Also it was heavy so I didn't want to have that all day under my feet :p. Quote That's exactly what led to me buying a Donek plate! I rode with one for about half a day in Aspen in a day with many slush piles. It was ok. Then I returned the plate and went out for another run as the Demo tent was shutting down. OMG, I didn't know how much the plate was helping! Before, I was arcing all over, but without the plate I was having to work exponentially harder to carve. I called Sean with my credit card # immediately Corey, are you talking about F plate or A plate? Edited January 4, 2018 by yamifumi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamifumi Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Corey said: Edited January 4, 2018 by yamifumi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVR Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 What would be the biggest differences between say a Donek AF plate and the Vist plate? I see many Vist plates on racers, so what are the big differences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, yamifumi said: Corey, are you talking about F plate or A plate? That was an A-plate: https://www.donek.com/product/a-plate/ I haven't ridden an F or Vist plate yet. EDIT: I've only ridden Donek and Bomber plates. Would like to try the others but not really planning to buy so I won't waste anyone's time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVR Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 The plate I have is the AF. I was wondering how it compared to the Vist, as I see many using the Vist and looking for the next step with my Son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVR Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 This one uses the plastic sliders rather than the metal hinge sliders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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