Cuban Carving Gooding Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 We all have the same rules. If the rider/skier lived by them we would have fewer problems. I do believe ski patrol has authority to tell people to stay off runs they cant handle. Witch seldom happen. I never have seen it but I cant say never. I have seen Ski and board instructors stop students in the middle of runs not green but blue and black runs. I know I have been told to slow down(Heavenly) when i think im in total control. The run was not crowded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckcarver Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 they are both in the wrong here. nothing aggrivates me more than people who stop in the middle of the run.:smashfreaEspecially on a blind hill., but he was too close, trying to be a shooter, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvin29 Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Out of control people really anger me. I can't believe I still see the random guy straight-lining the hill- why? Someone that causes an accident like that should be in some serious trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west carven Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 howdy jibber was wrong!!! way out of control. down hillers always have right of way. i almost got hit by jibbers bombing twice last year. i hope it never happens to me. i will turn in any one in who bombs runs from now on. a few years ago i saw a skier hit another skier and did a few cartwheels three feet above the ground. he was bombing way out of control. idiots!!!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 they are both in the wrong here. nothing aggrivates me more than people who stop in the middle of the run.:smashfreaEspecially on a blind hill., but he was too close, trying to be a shooter, cc the guy who got hit - his only mistake was turning his back on the uphill. They stopped at the beginning of a new run on the edge of the main run that started in the video. The guy who clipped him was going from the main run onto the fairly deserted side run that the ski group was contemplating. The guy on the snowboard was completely in the wrong and should have his ass cleaned with a wire brush. The skier was only wrong in that he trusted the skiers responsibility code that uphill skiers would avoid him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartron Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I back off when I go down the slope among a crowd because I don't trust the people I'm going around. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Glad to hear it was the boarder's leg that got broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Boarder hits skier, skier hits boarder.... yada yada yada.... You damn kids, You old geezers..... this crap never ends, but hopefully reaching out with some safety awareness will be the new "annoyance" this year on the slopes. AS to it being a "crowded run"..... ( looks for the "Rolling on floor pissing my pants laughing" icon) You have GOT to be kidding...... CROWDED? Thats enough room to carve a 747 jumbo jet down the trail with 2 F-16s in escort! ICECOAST..... thats a carvers dream day! If anyything it is a perfect example why you stop at the sides of trails and never come to abrupt stops in a group across the trail. Should be on a "SAFETY FIRST!" highlights reel with someone doing a monotone naration "UT OH... LOOK OUT BOB!.. you are stopped in a very dangerous place! lets see what happens when..... " Sux he busted a leg. Its one thing I never usualy see in replies to this sort of stuff (AFTERMATH). One golden rule, "Always ride in control", and the second "Leave yourself an 'out' window path of disaster excape". Boarder was completely at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tufty Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 That's not a crowded run, and the skiers weren't in the wrong. They'd slowed down to regroup at the top of a break in the terrain, hell, only one of them had actually stopped for more than a second or so. The guy who got hit was about to go, checked uphill, saw the snowboarder, and stopped to let the boarder carry on (or, more likely, join them; the "here he comes, he's moving" a second or so before the hit is a dead giveaway). About the only fault the skiers have there is not stopping at the side of the slope, but they are visible, not spread over the width of the slope, and there's plenty of room either side to go round. More than can be said for the boarder we see at 5 seconds in, who is fairly obviously well out of his depth, and ends up sat in the middle of the slope just after a terrain break (we see him sat down 7 seconds in) Snowboarder 100% at fault. Totally out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Ok here is the truth. They where english. Period. Stay out of resorts where brits are skiing. They are bad skiers/boarders. They are unfit and after lunchtime they just go straight and out of control cause legs are gone. In my homeresort they ship in brits by the bussloads and they are OUT of control and go fast drunk on beer. Wasn´t his name Steve Cocktail? And I´m pretty sure I here a british accent.:) (On the other hand - I know some good brits who really know how to board and ski. But there is not a lot of them.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Yea, they were Brits... the scourge of the Alps. And since Im stereotyping, Ill go ahead and name the Russians. Divas and fat dudes dressed in gear probably worth more than your car who cant ski for ****, no manners, and are WASTED by 2pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobble Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Ok here is the truth. They where english. Period. Stay out of resorts where brits are skiing. They are bad skiers/boarders. They are unfit and after lunchtime they just go straight and out of control cause legs are gone. In my homeresort they ship in brits by the bussloads and they are OUT of control and go fast drunk on beer. Wasn´t his name Steve Cocktail? And I´m pretty sure I here a british accent.:)(On the other hand - I know some good brits who really know how to board and ski. But there is not a lot of them.) bobd... what part of the UK are you from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobD Posted November 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 bobd... what part of the UK are you from? Hampshire. Like most Brits, I love Europe. We just think it's a shame that so many Europeans have to live there :lol: I've never boarded in Europe, but I'm sure there are a few plonkers from the UK. BobD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ursle Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 If I were these guys http://www.xsportsprotective.com/ I would run that video on my front page This is why I wear full Armour, not saying it would have prevented injury, it sure would have reduced bruises. This is why you couldn't pay me to ride on a weekend, I remember one day-I'm right foot forward, I was on the right side of the trail, I had just gotten on my rear edge and a skier skied over the front of my board, he did it intentionally, thought it was funny., I didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Here is a little story from last winter: I was standing in the empty floodlit downhillcourse from the Olympics in Lillehammer. I had stopped coming in from the side. Looked uphill and saw a small dot coming down at warpspeed towards me. Where I was standing the slope was 100 meter wide at least. It was empty just us. The skier was going extremely fast doing no turns and when I saw him coming nearer I could see he was way out of his comfortzone. I thought "If I move he will hit me". So I stood still. The guy passed so close that I could feel the swoooosh. He had aprox 100 meter on his left and 20 meter behind me but he passed me like 1-2 meter margin. He almost crashed into the base restaurant 800 meter down because of the speed. I caught up with him and asked him about his riding. The guy excused himself and said "I was so tired. I lost control." So this ****er goes into black downhillrun without being able to ski. If he had crasched into me in 80-90 km/h no protection what so ever would have saved me if he had hit me from behind. The impact is way beoynd what we can imagine. And a broken neck is fatal. So my point is ride with care and avoid to carve in buzy runs. I think body armour creates a false feeling of security. Although I always where helmet and backprotection. The best thing is to always look uphill and wait for less traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyagt4 Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Eff it, I'm just staying home this winter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK moscraciun Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I back off when I go down the slope among a crowd because I don't trust the people I'm going around.-- +1 time to back off when slopes are crowded Picture taken by me, Tignes 2007 it was scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Winters Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I've always maintained that it should be part of The Code that skiers and riders should never rest or congregate in the middle of the run, ALWAYS to the side, or better, in the trees clear off the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelc Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I have been collected six times this last season. It's getting to the point where I am considering giving up. So far I have not been badly hurt but only by good fortune. Before I set out I always wait - sometimes for five or ten minutes - for a gap when the slope is less crowded. Each time I have been hit by some moron straightlining out of control. They are skiers and boarders, old and young, no particular group has a monopoly on stupidity. Each time they have claimed it is my fault, even though clearly I am downhill and riding very much in control. The ski patrol are useless and do nothing to enforce rules. The ressponse i get from them is unless they see the incident they can do nothing. Four additional incidents this season involved people I was riding with being taken out from above, on one occaision sustaining a concussion, on another a hard enough impact to break loose a catek binding from the board. I have had enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allee Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 +1 time to back off when slopes are crowdedPicture taken by me, Tignes 2007 it was scary! I will never complain about Family Day in Banff again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 They are skiers and boarders, old and young, no particular group has a monopoly on stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ear dragger Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 there are soo many people who straight line the hill. even when their experience is good they still seem to put people in serious danger. Not to single out but softbooters tend to straightline, as do a large number of skiiers. getting hit seems to be inevitable. some people have worse luck than others. i feel bad for the broken leg, clearly he hit the skiier, and the group should have stopped on the side. seems like there needs to be more policing of this matter via ski patrol. of course there arent enough ski patrollers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveBomber Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 STFAFM please!The person downhill has the right of way, no matter what they are doing! How good they are? where they have stopped or fallen may seem ridiculous to an expert hauling ass, but hit them and IT IS ALWAYS YOUR FAULT, because THE DOWNHILL PERSON HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY, there are NO EXCEPTIONS This is Season 26 of Carving, and I have to point this Rule out occasionally. I think it should be reworded: "people going down the hill have the obligation to NOT HIT $HIT IN FRONT OF THEM!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelc Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 one of the problems is that while the rules make clear that those downhill have right of way they also say that those traversing must give way. In every incident I have been involved with this year the other party has claimed I was traversing. When I am carving i am often changing edges across the fall line, particularly when trying to control speed. No matter how many times I have pointed out to the moron involved that as they were not in sight uphill when i started downhill then they must have been overtaking me they have refused to accept they were in the wrong. Its one thing being hit by an idiot, but when said idiot then claims its your fault the red mist comes down. I have in the past made mistakes and hit people on the skifield, though not for some years. In all cases I have been horrified and apologised profusely. I understand that it is not a perfect world and sometimes things do not go to plan. This attitude of messing up and then not accepting responsibilty i do not understand at all. The last offender this year abused me so much that i had a total loss of temper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 You can't generalize and then say that there are some exceptions: it's one or the other. I've lived or worked in all the Scandinavian countries and I've seen some of the best pub violence and projectile vomiting there of anywhere. I guess they must have imported a bunch of my countrymen to do that stuff, as for sure none of the locals ever touch a drop, right? But I'm English and we're talking about snowboarding. I think you have to learn to deal with it, preferably politely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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