Eboot Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 I bought an SG Soul so that I can ride with my daughter who is reluctant to switch to hard boots. I would like to get a pair of softboots for occasional riding, but thought I should look for some suited for carving ‘coz … Suggestions? Both positive and what not to get. I have an old K2 clicker set of bindings and boots from about ‘06, but the boot straps have perished. Are these worth looking to restore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) Just ride h/boots at low angles, on that Soul. Walk mode if necessary, or softest spring system. Use very soft bindings, like F2 Carve RS, Burton Race Plates or Carriers. Edited October 11, 2021 by BlueB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishsurfer Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 it actually works fine in hard boots at low angles i did it out of curiosity. As for softboots I'm a fan of the stiffer boot the better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger65 Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 Been riding malamutes for years with ride el hefes. For me, best combo I have found for carving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowburn Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Eboot said: I have an old K2 clicker set of bindings and boots from about ‘06, but the boot straps have perished. Are these worth looking to restore? I rode K2 Kwickers (2019 newer version of the old Clickers). Carve great but was frustrated with the snow constantly packing in the heal especially in fresh snow. I would clear my heal on the lift and try not to step all the way down. That worked most of the time but wasn't tried and true. I sold that set up and went with UPZ XC12 with F2 RS Carve bindings for my powder board. I love this set up and haven't looked back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.T. Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 Best advice - find a boot that fits your feet and happens to be stiff. Riding hard boots at low angles kills my knees. I rode Malamutes for years, then switched to Head Sevens, and now Head Eights. Unless you’re absolutely in love with your K2’s, I’d say move on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 Softbooting is just hardbooting in a more sideways stance, most of the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eboot Posted October 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Odd Job said: Softbooting is just hardbooting in a more sideways stance, most of the time Boot suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svr Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eboot said: Boot suggestions? Lots of choices out there that are great for Softboot freeride/freecarve. Deeluxe Edge Burton Driver X or Ion Head 8 Nidecker/Flow Talon or Tracer Salamon Malamute Vans Verse DC Judge or T.Rice Ride Insano K2 Thraxxis It is really going to come down to what fits your foot. I used to love clickers, but I would not trust any of your old gear… I am personally using Burton Driver X and Union Atlas FCs for my traditional setup as well as Burton Ion StepOn and StepOn X bindings. Love them both for different reasons. good luck with your search but go with what fits you best. cheers and pray for snow sandy Edited October 12, 2021 by svr Typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Eboot said: Boot suggestions? Basically, he just told you to use your hard boots... Edited October 12, 2021 by BlueB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger65 Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 Malamutes!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noschoolrider Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 Burton Driver X boots and Burton Cartel X Re:Flex bindings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Edges Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 Malamutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgassizSkidder Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 I use Malamutes as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Odd Job said: Softbooting is just hardbooting in a more sideways stance, most of the time. whenever I say to my softbooting friends, that the carving tech is mostly the same, they want to rip my eyes out... Edited October 12, 2021 by slapos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, slapos said: whenever I say to my fellow softbooters, that the carving tech is mostly the same, they want to rip my eyes out... When did the Slapa start softbooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, daveo said: When did the Slapa start softbooting? edited - clear now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhamann Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 occasional? anything on the stiffer side of the scale if occasional really. literally anything that's on sale, fits your feet, moldable liner, etc. anything. probably any of the boots that svr mentions. personally, i've been happy with malamutes, insano and my favorite is currently some thraxis; replace the stock liner with SBC, mold, footbed and power strap the cuff. what? it's still a softboot. 19 hours ago, scottishsurfer said: it actually works fine in hard boots at low angles i did it out of curiosity. As for softboots I'm a fan of the stiffer boot the better. beg to differ there. tried hardboots once on a 26.5 waist saber riding 45/35. it was slow edge to edge and less balance control due the lack of lateral movement, fore/aft movement and less natural balance of weight when transitioning between turns, control in the turns, etc. besides that, it is fine. i'm not sure the equipment is designed to work like that or the body, but to each their own. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eboot Posted October 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 13 hours ago, Odd Job said: Softbooting is just hardbooting in a more sideways stance, most of the time. 11 hours ago, BlueB said: Basically, he just told you to use your hard boots... @Odd Job sorry - i missed that, the thread started talking about comparative technique and I assumed that this was a technique statement. I intend to try both especially as I am concerned that the board width will not accommodate my boot at low angles. (25.5 cm and US 11) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 hours ago, slapos said: edited - clear now ? Ha I thought you were switching teams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishsurfer Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 28 minutes ago, dhamann said: beg to differ there. tried hardboots once on a 26.5 waist saber riding 45/35. it was slow edge to edge and less balance control due the lack of lateral movement, fore/aft movement and less natural balance of weight when transitioning between turns, control in the turns, etc. besides that, it is fine. i'm not sure the equipment is designed to work like that or the body, but to each their own. I was on the 27.5cm waist soul 159xt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 HB SB difference, Front Back, Lateral support, this is why some HB people here, ride their SB set ups at 30 degrees Max, then go back to 60 with HB, personally I like a Sloppy/Play set up, so HB have too much lateral support for me, though my SB stance is 45 45... I know HB folks who use their HB on SB sticks without complaint...I also hang out on green and blue runs, which provide the resistance for the type of riding I prefer... my daughter in Law is 40 years old, from the Russian Ski Team, she hauls ass everywhere, thru anything, on any Pitch, I never go with her, so really what exactly is your daughter doing that makes you need to change your equipment? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, dhamann said: occasional? anything on the stiffer side of the scale if occasional really. literally anything that's on sale, fits your feet, moldable liner, etc. anything. probably any of the boots that svr mentions. personally, i've been happy with malamutes, insano and my favorite is currently some thraxis; replace the stock liner with SBC, mold, footbed and power strap the cuff. what? it's still a softboot. beg to differ there. tried hardboots once on a 26.5 waist saber riding 45/35. it was slow edge to edge and less balance control due the lack of lateral movement, fore/aft movement and less natural balance of weight when transitioning between turns, control in the turns, etc. besides that, it is fine. i'm not sure the equipment is designed to work like that or the body, but to each their own. With h/boots at low angles, the key is to have bindings that have a lot of lateral flex and boots that have good forward flex. With a correct setup, they can be ridden even "duck", just like softies. Around 45/30 is the ideal hard boot setup for most riding versatility. However, it is important that it works for the given board width and boot size. If you had lots of underhang on your Sabre, that would explain the slow edge-to-edge. Edited October 12, 2021 by BlueB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Eboot said: @Odd Job sorry - i missed that, the thread started talking about comparative technique and I assumed that this was a technique statement. I intend to try both especially as I am concerned that the board width will not accommodate my boot at low angles. (25.5 cm and US 11) Blanket statement. I would suggest softboots. I have actually invested in a pair of softboots that actually fit me for this season. Burton Photon Boa Wide for my messed up feet. No softboot will give you the support hardboots has; well at least for me. Might as well learn to ride without the stiffness. So in the end the fit is most important at the stiffest flex you can get, or care to get with a given time and budget. Burton Driver X are still slippers compared to a hardboot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eboot Posted October 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 hours ago, softbootsurfer said: what exactly is your daughter doing that makes you need to change your equipment? She is still learning, slow and not interested in chasing me, so i would like to just be able to mess around with her, at her speed. something I find hard to do on my Angrry. I used to teach in softboots but that was a looong time ago. But if i am going to buy a softboot setup, i thought it made sense to think through boot selection before buying anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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