WinterGold Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Erik J, do you mean me? I got an SG Soul 59XT at the beginning of the season and it opened new worlds for me! On softboots that is ... (see my picture on page 4) I also got a Jones Storm Chaser 157. Amazing powder board! And some Korua boards. I sold all my other softboot boards, which were too narrow all those years ... For hardbooting I am waiting for the SG FullRace 163XT as I love dedicated SL boards. Can´t wait to try the new setup (angles and stuff)! I have been riding my current setup with minimal variations for over a decade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Do you know how wide 'll be the SG FullRace 163XT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 My old but nevet used Burton Trucker 159 is about 30cm wide I think. Maybe I should see if I can find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted February 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 H2O - 22cm 1xsculler - in the current lineup no board is wider than 26.6cm! And I can´t remember a Burton board that wide! Would be nice to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piusthedrcarve Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, WinterGold said: H2O - 22cm 1xsculler - in the current lineup no board is wider than 26.6cm! And I can´t remember a Burton board that wide! Would be nice to see! I think 1xsculler meant to say 'K2 Trucker', which was built early 2000. It was 'Fatter' than Fatbob. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sic t 2 Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 57 minutes ago, WinterGold said: H2O - 22cm 1xsculler - in the current lineup no board is wider than 26.6cm! And I can´t remember a Burton board that wide! Would be nice to see! Burton does not even attempt to manufacture a serious softy carver. If they did they sure as hell would not have a sketchy slot binding . So why criticize them for not making a WIDE softy board for dedicated carvers? Its not their market. Seriously , none of you guys see that ?? And when you do turn to a serious carving manufacturer's stock softy inventory,, uh oh ... Houston, we got a problem . Or maybe you just can't sell those really wide boards. Obviously the latter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, sic t 2 said: "And when you do turn to a serious carving manufacturer's stock softy inventory..." That's kinda a strawman argument. Right below that list is Donek's width customizer, as pictured below. So he starts the list with a fairly stock width so that customers can size up... it would be confusing to most if he had a waist width of 30cm as the starting point. Edited February 13, 2017 by lonbordin mo' better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted February 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 sic t 2 - so the biggest snowboard brand does not have boards which perform well on groomers and we are not supposed to criticizes them And if you read the thread then you know that it is not about Burton. I just took them as an example, because they are pretty important in the snowboard market. Many other big brands have the same "problem". Customs are great and it is good that a lot of you guys take advantage of the possibilities! But the question here is why about 90% of the production models are simply too narrow for riding groomers competently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, WinterGold said: But the question here is why about 90% of the production models are simply too narrow for riding groomers competently. Because over 90% of snowboarders can't carve, and most of those that can don't care about getting as much inclination as we do. They just need to carry speed competently to the next hit. Edited February 13, 2017 by Neil Gendzwill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 5 hours ago, piusthedrcarve said: I think 1xsculler meant to say 'K2 Trucker', which was built early 2000. It was 'Fatter' than Fatbob. Yup, you're correct, it is a K2 Trucker 159, 32.5, 28.2, 32.5. I now remember that I bought it and did use it for a North Cascades Heli-trip that I took my daughter and one of my other daughter's boyfriends on in the early 2000s. I skied on a pair of wider 160 (maybe Kneissel Red Stars, I can't really remember for sure) in the morning and switched to the Trucker with plate bindings (probably 45*/0*) using my same Salomon SX91 ski boots for both in the afternoon. The Trucker did well in the deep pow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piusthedrcarve Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, 1xsculler said: Yup, you're correct, it is a K2 Trucker 159, 32.5, 28.2, 32.5. I now remember that I bought it and did use it for a North Cascades Heli-trip that I took my daughter and one of my other daughter's boyfriends on in the early 2000s. I skied on a pair of wider 160 (maybe Kneissel Red Stars, I can't really remember for sure) in the morning and switched to the Trucker with plate bindings (probably 45*/0*) using my same Salomon SX91 ski boots for both in the afternoon. The Trucker did well in the deep pow. Yup. If I remember correctly, Trucker had "pow" inserts (something like 6 holes on front and 8 holes on back) which was kinda innovative for that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) Not all softboot carvers want wide. Look what I spotted at the racks today! :) Edited February 14, 2017 by BlueB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted February 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 But maybe it is the other way round. Maybe they can't carve, because the boards don't let them. I hear a lot of complaints from weekend warriors who simply cannot put their boards on the edge enough because their boots are in the way. And really good riders who tell me that they got used to using mellow tilting angles as there is no way around it. Sounds all pretty wrong to me ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 duck foot - toe drag = wide board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 I just purchased a Donek Hazelwood custom a few weeks ago. I wanted WIDE for the powder and my 11.5 size boots. It is a 185cm, with a 10m shovel to 12m tail sidecut with a 26.5cm waist. The shovel is 32.3cm and the tail is 30.6cm. Now I needed to learn how to ride a standard non-carving specific board, but on the three days out in the powder, I am getting used to it and love the carving thru the powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted February 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 This board sounds really great! But I wouldn´t call 26.5cm wide - like not really wide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aracan Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Quote But I wouldn´t call 26.5cm wide Nor would I, given that my alpine board has 23.8 cm waist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLN Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 I wonder would any racers choose 163XT over regular model? On the one hand you'll get better angles for racing, something like 57/54 is pretty steep. OTOH extra weight and edge-to-edge penalty. I'd be very interested to try one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted February 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 TLN, I really hope that some competitors will try the new width. Especially those not on a WC level. Because at the WC level most riders use very small shell sizes, but a lot of hobby racers don´t. So for them it is even more interesting! Weight and edge transfer - I don´t really believe that those are an issue. Talking to a lot of pros, most of them don´t even know the weight of their SL setup, so a few grams (can´t be much) won´t matter. Same goes for a few millimeter left and right of the central axis. But a good body position might have quite some benefits. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLN Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Well, you can call me hobby racer probably. I know that most people tend to ride in smaller shells. For example my street shoes are US11.5 or US12, while 312 UPZ shess is US9.5 at max. I was told that it might be possible to go with 299, which is US8. But UPZ sizing is a bit off. I don't have skills(and boards, first of all) to compare something wide to something narrow. I've started with Coiler 180x21, tried SG 185x20. Doesn't feel that I have less grip or something. Doesn't feel that I'm in better body position on Coiler too. I've never tried em same day though: I'm too lazy to swap bindings, and those boards are too similar. But I wonder how two identical boards will compare in racing. Personally, I doubt that extra width will be beneficial there, even if it provides more efficient position for bigger guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teach Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) ^The 312 mm shell is large enough to fit a US 13 footbed comfortably. So saying it's US9.5 max is saying that you need several inches of liner padding. You can stuff it with marshmallows, but that just causes problems. I could probably fit my foot into the 299 mm shell at US13 and then get it punched and find a thin liner. If I were racing, I'd try it. I might anyway, just for better heel hold. A 21 cm waist board isn't much different from a 20 cm waist at size 28. That is, your angles barely change. You need to go to about 22.5 - 23+ to get racer preferred angles. I find the 20 cm boards feel a little more stable than a 19 cm board, but who knows if it's real. If you sized down to 27 or 26, you'd notice a bigger difference between 20 and 21. Edited February 24, 2017 by teach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Trying my brother in law's Donek Sasquatch tomorrow if it doesn't rain too hard. 28cm wide, 170 long, 11m, pretty stiff. With my size 10.5 Burton Driver-X, at 27/12, it still fails my usual visual check for boot overhang. We'll see how it goes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted March 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Jack, any feedback? Where you already out in the snow? I got some feedback from Danger on the SG Soul 59XT - he was surprised how agile the board is and how well it holds an edge. He said that he was really impressed. Maybe he will join in here . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atom Ant Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Burton custom x 164 wide: 261mm or 26.1 cm waist width. Not wide enough for me but wide compared to most for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 On 2/24/2017 at 7:08 PM, Jack Michaud said: Trying my brother in law's Donek Sasquatch tomorrow if it doesn't rain too hard. 28cm wide, 170 long, 11m, pretty stiff. With my size 10.5 Burton Driver-X, at 27/12, it still fails my usual visual check for boot overhang. We'll see how it goes. Stoked to get this thing in my hands! Very much angles will it be tilted to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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