Petrol Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 I'm sure the 'fine' folks over at Welsh Village would be applaud at the devistation displayed in that PIC what, are you trying to get carving banned everywhere again...this is a pic of 360 backside carveit is a complete single edge carve... none of the videos I have looked at here would show a line like this...because when their boards are flat in the turn they are really skidding if only for a mini second... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilmour Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 All shot the same day- except camera crew shot a week later. http://web.mac.com/nobelprize/Carving/Faster_toeside.html ________ Zoloft Settlements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpalka Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 OK, we will soon put this thread to rest. I very much enjoyed Erwin's and Clebner's videos -- great job! John G. -- wish you showed up at Buttermilk so that I could film you! I had the good fortune to ride with the Pureboarding team all last week, and yesterday we hit Buttermilk. We filmed a variety of 360's -- front side, heel side, standing up, crouching down, etc. I will post these movies tomorrow, I need to do some more video processing to get them ready. I had not been able to do this kind of turn before -- but with the great coaching, demonstrations, explanations, and terrain reading tips from Joerg, Richard, Dirk, Felix (throwing many 360's on his ASYM OXBOW), and Thomas, I finally hit a few turns! Whooo-hooo! Attaching the one motion smoothed movie of my turn -- soon I'll attach a video with a dozen+ turns by others. It was a most excellent day! For higher quality video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIXG-XBcRs&fmt=18 Lower quality, but embedded here: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIXG-XBcRs&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIXG-XBcRs&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> Thank you, Pureboarders! :) tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilmour Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 TP- I could have done Ajax- the girl I was with- my best friend, had to work so she could not ride at Buttermilk with me. I just got her on plates 2 days ago. I have noticed a new guy in town...He is doing 360's on Aspen Mt. without a spotter. He is going to hurt himself and or someone else. Aspen mt. has good skiers that carry a lot of speed They are not expecting someone on a board coming back uphill You need a spotter or just plain STOP before you kill someone please.:smashfrea:smashfrea:smashfrea:smashfrea Shoot me an email at my full name at rocketmail.com we could film and spot each other. We still have great snow to get some good ones- and trying to describe what you want to a non carving camera guy isn't very easy. That carver...That could be me...though I have been here all winter on Ajax But I do check all trails with a wide buffer zone before doing a 360 or I would have already been hit this year. I would say I abort about 20% of my attempts just to be on the safer side. Softbootsailor Are you the guy linking clean carves on softboot set up- a little older (like we all are...) ? With just hip initiation? Nice lines BTW. (That being said- I hope kids aren't copying my 360's without taking everything I mention below) Part of doing a 360 is being aware of where everything is at a 360 degree radius and not taking a persons CURRENT speed into account but their POTENTIAL speed if they were just to point it straight at where you are going to do your circle. Just because a guy is going 10mph and has been for an entire run now doesn't mean he can't be going 30 mph in a few seconds. When I do 360's I know that even if every one pointed right at me- I could finish and move on before they could reach me. That in part is why I like to use banks- if a person were to aim straight for me- he would lose a lot of speed traveling up the bank and even if there was a collision it would be at lower speed. Plus it is easier to slow down going up hill- and if I abort a 360 in progress scooting off to the side can be done quickly as opposed to doing it on a flat when you won't have a hill to help you (you are likely the more maneuverable person- so do not depend on the skills of others to avoid you)- Also you can't accelerate without gravity. Soooooo....Worst place to hit a 360 is at the bottom by a lift..when people are tired after their run and a lot of traffic comes from all directions. (Please- this is not directed at anyone who has done the 360's further up this thread- they obviously, at the very least, had a camera guy spotting them to get it on film). Don't even try to learn a 360 in a high traffic area. Instead pick areas and times when there are fewer people. So a bank that is consistently still groomed at 3pm- or days later- aha!? Thats a low traffic area that you may want to consider for a 360. Want your 360 prize to be there long enough to admire it? Pick a low traffic area. When in doubt as to whether you'll have enough time to pull off a 360... wait...a minute or two or three- you could probably use the rest anyhow. Traffic is rarely continous (errr. Vail? oooops) and you'll have opening if you are patient. If you do take off from a place where you can not see if your 360 zone is clear- prepare to be far more ready to abort the attempt than go for it.- at least you won't be disappointed. Doing a 360 is not any more alarming to skiers than when we do 180's...fact is- they aren't expecting either........for over a decade I have been telling people "Don't even start your heelside turn if you can't see towards your heelside first... why? Because you aren't in a good body position anyway if you can't see uphill (racing techniques aside)- so you should consider continuing straight and starting over when you can see uphill before you start your heelside- at least you will be ina good body position" Racing on a closed course is different. Which is why I am concerned when I see people carving like they are racing. Waiting for a gap and then carving several sets of linked turns with blind heelsides... often they are surprised when a skier pops out of the woods and ends up right behind them a few turns into what they could swear was a "clear gap of safety". People ask why my riding is not like current racing... it's because I think being aware of what is behind you is just as important as being aware of what is in front of you and I would not give up my visibility to adopt a racing technique on open slopes shared with other skiers without it. Ever see a racer look uphill before every turn? ________ Kuga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcarver Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Tom, that looked more like a 500 to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I got a nice clean one last sunday that I had to just help with the hand for the last 3 feet of length to stand it back up. :) One the carvefathers witnessed it :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecnalubma Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 And just for the record, Tom has been only been riding for about 4 ( I may be off a bit here) years! ( nothing worse than bragging about your 20+ years in the sport on the lift, and getting SKOOLED by a "newbie" on the ride down) This guy flat out RIPS. And on the off chance he hadn't pulled the 360 that day, we would all be looking at a video progression that would teach us all to do 'em.! Niiiice Tom! how's Jr. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Carver Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I just pulled one off this weekend at the bottom of 2 you have to come in fast lay heel side then let off of the push and balance out to pull it around ni coast mode. A fast glove with Ptex on the palm will help for support during the turn. Normal gloves slow you down. I finished standing. Will try it in the steeps later but it think a combo flat to steep is the best local for this. My dream is a high speed carve 360!!:lol: MOSTER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpalka Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Ecnalubma and Newcarver -- thanks for the kind words :) Yup, it's been four years (~250 days?) on March 8th! Riding with Pureboarding crew was super fun -- we got some of it on film, so check out the attached for 10+ carved 360's, two switch 360 attempts (I have far to go), and some other fun stuff. Higher-res on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxPz4ovdzA&fmt=18 or lower-res embedded here: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxPz4ovdzA&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxPz4ovdzA&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> Cheers, tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdboytyler Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Ecnalubma and Newcarver -- thanks for the kind words :) Yup, it's been four years (~250 days?) on March 8th! Damn, that's about the same amount of days I've done in 22 seasons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vahur Posted April 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 And just for the record, Tom has been only been riding for about 4 ( I may be off a bit here) years! Years are not equal, Tom says, that he has ridden ca. 250 days during 4 years, I've been on hard boots 6 years, but I'm not sure that I've got even 100 days in total: my maximum riding days in one season was ca. 30 and average is 10-15 So one person's year can be to other person's year as human year to dog year :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vahur Posted April 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Riding with Pureboarding crew was super fun -- we got some of it on film, so check out the attached for 10+ carved 360's, two switch 360 attempts (I have far to go), and some other fun stuff. That's what I wanted to see when I started this thread. Thanks for this video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpalka Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 That's what I wanted to see when I started this thread. Thanks for this video! Great, Vahur, glad you liked it! Thanks for starting the thread, it gave some impetus to putting more effort into these. I didn't highlight it in the last movie, but the sequence at 1:00 is Dirk going into a 360, followed by Richard with the camera who also pulled off the 360! Those guys are great. tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Higher-res on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxPz4ovdzA&fmt=18 Cool and fun video! :) Off-topic: What software did you use to get the steady-cam effect on some of those clips? It worked amazingly well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Thanks for the inspiration, guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two_ravens Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Thanks for the inspiration, guys! +1 on the inspiration! It's tpalka's "fault" that I'm in this sport anyway ;) (got sucked in after seeing one your videos last fall!) Thanks for giving me something to keep the stoke going over the summer!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEJ Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 tpalka, I must say you guys definitely put the doubt to rest. Cool video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpalka Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Glad you enjoyed the movies :) Kelly -- had no idea our movies would bring inspiration -- very happy to hear it! Which movie was it, do you remember? I posted some notes on things to keep in mind -- nothing fancy, but I think it summarizes the 8 pages of this thread: http://www.snowycolorado.com/stories/carving-360-on-snowboard.html tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two_ravens Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Which movie was it, do you remember? Yup, sure do! Took a look at several others later, but the first was "Carving at Copper with Dr. Scott." There might be story as to why I saw that one first... You can ask Dr. Scott if you see him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pow Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Maybe not as great and powerful as the almighty carved 360, but one thing i have yet to see (and think it would be really cool to see) is a buttered 360 directly into a fast, tight carve on an alpine board (itd be wicked cool to see that aftercarve become a 360) maybe its just me and my youthful perspective wanting to see the butter, but doesnt anybody think thatd look wicked cool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpalka Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 ..a buttered 360 directly into a fast, tight carve.. That's on the list for next season :) I got to being able to do a nose roll into a switch carve, which is fun, but the butter still eludes me... Sure sounds like a fun trick though! tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 to the creativity you can inject into carving.Try a backside 360 air to toeside carve to backside tailspin to toeside carve for example.Or heelside carve uphill to frontside tailspin and drop back into the same trench to a toeside carve. These always get a good crowd reaction and that drives me to figure out new tricks.Maybe the coolest part for me is that I don't have to clear a 40 foot gap to have jibbers come up and say "That was sick dude!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Maybe not as great and powerful as the almighty carved 360, but one thing i have yet to see (and think it would be really cool to see) is a buttered 360 directly into a fast, tight carve on an alpine board (itd be wicked cool to see that aftercarve become a 360)maybe its just me and my youthful perspective wanting to see the butter, but doesnt anybody think thatd look wicked cool? So you mean real 360 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Glad you are still around. http://bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=22792 How is that video going? Would love to get my disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastskiguy Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Would love to get my disc. I'd even settle for my 10 bucks back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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