softbootsurfer Posted February 7, 2022 Report Share Posted February 7, 2022 This is a picture of Fake Groom, it is Fake because it is only a little over a 1/2 In. deep, it is more dangerous than the Old Kind with the over 1 1/4 in. Grooves...I saw it first around 12 years ago, was told that it was just my Imagination, nothing was different...I have asked numerous Industry People, for an explanation, no one will supply the reason for the Tiny Grooves, that now cover all ski slopes world wide... this Groom is harder, slicks off twice as fast, especially on areas where people generally stop...personally, I believe it is more Drought resistant in Design as the Idea behind it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey John Posted February 7, 2022 Report Share Posted February 7, 2022 Met you on the top of West Buttermilk yesterday and heard you mention this. Now I see what you were talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 It's an epidemic... Everywhere.. Cost of diesel fuel and saving money calls for fast shallow groom.. It's rampant! Unless you poach deer Valley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 It is the year of blade up grooming (which professional operators despise ) everywhere but MCC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 While I mostly agree, I will give a shout out to the heros of the night at Powder Mountain. They clearly till deep enough to allow cord to last until the afternoon. Some passes can be a bit uneven, but with no snow for a month it's likely unavoidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnE Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 I had an interesting experience this past weekend. We went to Loveland on Friday 2/4. They had huge swaths of wonderful groom. I really don't know what depth. I then went to Vail on Monday and Tuesday 2/7 - 2/8. They had a groom report showing a large percentage of their enormous mountain had been groomed. I looked everywhere both days and couldn't find anything that had been groomed for at least 2 days (maybe more). For those not familiar, Loveland is an old, small ski area. Vail is a huge resort. They couldn't be more different. For whatever reason they don't groom, so be it. But at least don't lie to us and say that it had been groomed. Granted that sometime in history those runs had been groomed. "Groomed" to me means that they had run a groomer down it sometime between when the lifts closed yesterday until when they opened this morning. Vail used to be known for their wonderful mid-day groom. I recall dropping onto a big, wide blue run right behind 3 groomers side-by-side around lunch time. Now no groom to be found anywhere. Maybe their $200+ walk-up tickets aren't enough to pay for grooming. What a lie. Thanks Vail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy_in_SD Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 I read this article yesterday. Sounds like your lack of groom is the new normal in Vail.... https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/vail-resorts-record-ski-passes-overcrowding/ 1 hour ago, JohnE said: I had an interesting experience this past weekend. We went to Loveland on Friday 2/4. They had huge swaths of wonderful groom. I really don't know what depth. I then went to Vail on Monday and Tuesday 2/7 - 2/8. They had a groom report showing a large percentage of their enormous mountain had been groomed. I looked everywhere both days and couldn't find anything that had been groomed for at least 2 days (maybe more). For those not familiar, Loveland is an old, small ski area. Vail is a huge resort. They couldn't be more different. For whatever reason they don't groom, so be it. But at least don't lie to us and say that it had been groomed. Granted that sometime in history those runs had been groomed. "Groomed" to me means that they had run a groomer down it sometime between when the lifts closed yesterday until when they opened this morning. Vail used to be known for their wonderful mid-day groom. I recall dropping onto a big, wide blue run right behind 3 groomers side-by-side around lunch time. Now no groom to be found anywhere. Maybe their $200+ walk-up tickets aren't enough to pay for grooming. What a lie. Thanks Vail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyt. Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 Oh you want groomed runs? That’s extra! Coming to a resort near you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, billyt. said: Oh you want groomed runs? That’s extra! Coming to a resort near you. Just a low daily fee to access groomed runs. Shallow groom is typical here. They don't want to pull up the dirt that's shockingly close! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Corey said: Shallow groom is typical here. They don't want to pull up the dirt that's shockingly close! Amen. I was watching a LAXX grooming video...don't judge me! The head groomer mentioned they don't groom unless they have a meter of snow on the piste. That ****ing hurt my soul. I wanna ride LAXX someday. Edited February 10, 2022 by lonbordin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 I don't think I've ever ridden real groom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuxdiesel Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 Thanks for linking that article Frenchy. What's the incentive for Vail to change, especially when they make $2B a year? Having experienced first-hand what happens to a local area when the take over, the smoke and mirror show they put on the first season is impressive but it's not sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishsurfer Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 Considering i ride indoors 95% of the time where groom and slope in general is nuked after 30-45min this fake groom is like paradise in comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 Low grooming is better due less snow piled up by skiers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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