tpalka Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Looks intriguing... PHANTOM Permanent Base Glide Treatment for Skis & Snowboards https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dpsskis/phantom-permanent-base-glide-treatment-for-skis-an 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcABQ Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 fascinating. thanks for posting. will be curious to follow this if other carvers use it - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladia Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Can I order it on Bomber? That's what Iam thinking about this miracle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAlexander Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 I also saw that while looking up Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 It might shake up the industry, but I'm as skeptical as I am of pills that claim to cure male pattern baldness. I'll wait for non-paid reviews to surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 sounds good, DPS aint gonna screw over a well established ski brand over a gimmick. I have high hopes of not waxing the 1st inch of my edges every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eajracing Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 3 hours ago, corey_dyck said: but I'm as skeptical as I am of pills that claim to cure male pattern baldness this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 5 hours ago, corey_dyck said: It might shake up the industry, but I'm as skeptical as I am of pills that claim to cure male pattern baldness. In a strange coincidence, the secret ingredient in Phantom is Minoxidil... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Just wondering about the overall longevity of the board and cost of maintenance... Reading through their website I got the impression that occasional base grinds are needed In order to keep fresh glider exposed, but there is not indication of how often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpalka Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I enjoy waxing my boards, but am intrigued by this product. Some more info: https://www.adventure-journal.com/2017/12/dps-phantom-lets-never-wax-skis-work/ tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey John Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 I wonder if this is anything like Dardoz NotWax. It was a lacquer type liquid that you applied to the base. It lasted longer than wax, But it was not permanent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibber Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 ...what b0ardski said. DPS has that volkl mystique and would not mess w that earned reputation; huge risk otherwise. As a goofy footer I want this phantom stuff on my gloves, jacket and right pant leg ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Very interesting. I was under the impression that UHMWPE is non-porous and that the 'absorption' or 'penetration' of wax or other substances into the base is a myth regardless of the application of heat. Instead, frequent base grinds are far more important with appropriate structure tailored to snow conditions. The claim that Phantom is a "sophisticated, timed polymerization process permanently penetrates the entire thickness of the base material with powerful go-fast fluoro compositions"... so that it actually modifies the composition of the base to introduce flurocarbons.... sounds questionable at best. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that this method is more about introducing a self-leveling light-activated resin (via photopolymerization) that has a low friction coefficient and high durability (they mention that Phantom increases shore hardness). So in effect a hard coating of resin on top of your base that is polished by the snow and hard and thick enough to withstand several base grinds. Either way, sounds great that someone is finally tackling on reducing the use of wax and its overuse in recreational winter sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVR Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 I think Michael A might be spot on, and with the ability to create some of the composite plastics and polymers today, it makes sense that someone would create a coating that simply has a significantly low coefficient of friction with ice and snow. I always wondered about the use of ptex and wax, but never had any ideas of my own for improvement.. Anyone in here tried it or have an old board and willing to try it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Here is a more recent article that has some more detail. It answers a few of my questions such as "is it for pow or slush or which condition?" http://www.sltrib.com/news/business/2017/11/23/these-utahns-say-their-invention-means-youll-never-need-to-wax-your-skis-again/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Soooo.... did anyone try this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svr Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Mig said: Soooo.... did anyone try this? So I have five days of riding on my Maverick Cheater 200 with the DPS Phantom base treatment and here are a couple thoughts: 1. Application is truly around a 7 hour process, so be prepared to follow the directions and spend some time. 2. They are not kidding that it takes a couple runs to work in...board would not glide well until after the 3rd or 4th run. 3. It works well on cold snow, but I am not sure that it works better than if I had waxed the board with a correct temperature wax. 4. After 5 days of groomed snow riding without re-waxing, like I would normally do, base still looks good and glide is smooth. My initial thoughts are that this will be a great application to work with good waxing. I say this based on other comments that are on the Phantom FAQs about how the application can be used with wax. I think that for someone who travels a lot for riding and may not have the space available to bring their own waxing gear or might not want to pay a shop to wax their boards that the application is a good thing. I also think that I will need to put a lot more days on the board that has the application on it to see how it works after say 30-40 days of riding. cheers, sandy Edited March 1, 2018 by svr 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Sandy, could you just quickly outline the application process? Is it indeed a light activated 2-part resin? And is a sunny day a requirement for it to set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svr Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, michael.a said: Sandy, could you just quickly outline the application process? Is it indeed a light activated 2-part resin? And is a sunny day a requirement for it to set? Yes, something in the compound requires direct sunlight...the good news is that you can do part one in three hours and then wait a day to do part 2 if you run out of sunlight before you can get the second application applied. DPS has done a good job of updating their website with clearer procedures, but the overall process is pretty simple, it is just the curing time that takes forever. (3 hours for each application). I had what I considered a lot of liquid remaining on the second application but was assured that it is normal to have some liquid/wet base area remaining that you can just wipe off with a towel. After the first application (part 1), I had no wet areas on the base at all as the board seemed to absorb most of the initial application after the 3 hour cure time. Edited March 1, 2018 by svr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbat Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 One and done?? You mean to tell me this could have saved me the hassle of waxing my board every other year? Damn, I missed out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeyJay Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Any updates from those of you who bit the bullet and tried this stuff? I just bought the wife a board, and think now would be great time to hae evo apply the 2.0 version. Evo has skiers who love it, and most reviews online are all skiers. Any info would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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