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CB, I’m so happy and perfectly “there” with everything; boots, bindings, boards for ANY terrain, snow conditions. It all starts with boots; happy feet = comfort, warmth, performance. It only took me thirty years! Thank You for the time,xtra effort,demo. RCRs w CatekTribute/TD3SWs/F2Ti’s AT8’s w F2RS or Ti’s

The point is to know not just the mondo sz but the mm/last when comparing brands or models. I do not know subtle differences between RC11 and RC12, the ‘12’s may be a year newer than 11’s(?) and I’m sure either could be modified to your desire; liner/boot tongue/spring. In my experience, overall, deeluxe seem to be higher volume w larger heel cup — not good for my skinny feet. When I bought the UPZ AT8’s a month ago (as my “soft boots!”) from CB Utah (Chris, UPZ North America) I was lucky enough to try them on with different liners and noticing the volume difference. This has been a great thread, you have enough info to make a good decision, and ultimately, you just won’t know for sure until you’ve got on ‘board w new boots and made a few fitment tweaks.

Copy of my post re: “downsizing” applies here to. Ask your UPZ person if the RC12’s and RC11’s have same “mm” specs on shell. There is not a direct relationship between mondo point and volume, different brands or different models within a brand can have different volumes with same mondo point. Within models of UPZ, generally speaking, race boots have less volume than recreational. I have two brand new pairs of UPZ boots; 2023 RCR’s and 2024 AT8’s, mondo point on both boxes say “25,5”. The mm/last #’s say 258/279mm, 266/287mm respectively. I have thinnest intuition race plug liners in RCR’s and intuition M-volume Luxury liners in AT8’s. How can same Mondo have different volumes. because! that’s why. Doing a shell fit w bare feet is Priority 1, then determining proper volume liner is Priority 2, then addressing any special fitment w arch, weird toe/foot shape, skinny/big shins, whatever, P3.

There is not a direct relationship between mondo point and volume, different brands or different models within a brand can have different volumes with same mondo point. Within models of UPZ, generally speaking, race boots have less volume than recreational. I have two brand new pairs of UPZ boots; 2023 RCR’s and 2024 AT8’s, mondo point on both boxes say “25,5”. The mm/last #’s say 258/279mm, 266/287mm respectively. I have thinnest intuition race plug liners in RCR’s and intuition M-volume Luxury liners in AT8’s. How can same Mondo have different volumes. because! that’s why. Doing a shell fit w bare feet is Priority 1, then determining proper volume liner is Priority 2, then addressing any special fitment w arch, weird toe/foot shape, skinny/big shins, whatever, P3.

If you put silver tongues in the rc11’s you may not tell the difference regarding stiffness. Red-soft,Black-flexy, Silver-Stiff, Gray-XStiff. I like hot lime yellow, too.

Try thread-locker on that female piece, ie Blue Loctite. Curious, is broken cant on rear foot? (which tends to get more force). Maybe switch cant w other boot and put washer/bolt on front foot. Re UPZ RC12’s. I assume newer version with Hinge Tongue (not the double bolted tongue) since you mentioned newer buckles. picture?

You are a long ways from Donek ..that looks pretty good. good enough to get back on hill; for how long? I don’t know!! Looks like you found a bolt to fit the inside metal piece? (nice). A rubber/plastic/urethane washer or something to interface w cuff is a good idea, it will delay the inevitable! Ask your fastener supply store about a metal-bonded sealing washer (see picture). I used Deeluxe boots for ten years, now use UPZ’s since five years ago.

Deeluxe boot parts are sold on Donek website. If hardware store, T-Nut/Fender Washer/pan-head bolt w locktite.

..I agree, and still feel same. I prefer TD & Catek for carve-only boards with feet angles 50+°. Yesterday I had my SLSHR & Donek/twin out in stormy 4” new conditions, and adjusted angles to be 38°rear/44°front w F2Ti/inTecs. Having a bit of lateral flex is GREAT w softer angles. The newer F2Ti’s also have toebail height adjustment. Anyway, Yes, do it, try it, you’ll find a happy Plate/Twin combo.

LUV my SLSHR! new this season after MCC demo last year (‘23)-with a couple mods, of course! 172cm (floor to tip) 28/22waist/26.5. metal, square/round nose, average SCR 9m, stance setback apprx 5cm. I modified my Contra topsheet design/colorway to be “SLASHR”. (stock slasher is scr 8m / 165). Back to Topic! Gawdzira, I (too) struggled w adding softboot set ups to my all mt, pow, carv options for two seasons; never liked it as much, so ended up w two sets of hardboots/bindings. “race”stiff and “flexy”soft.

what BlueB said not All “hardboots” are the same. My “softboots” the last 3 years have been Deeluxe325’s (a shell size big) w intuition luxury liners (thick high volume) and softest bts spring kit. F2 RS Bindings. Donek Hazelwood 175 twin tip (directional) w early rise front, 24cm waist, 45/40 angles. May sound “long” but the effective edge and camber is low, it wiggles just fine!

Not for sale, I luv this board early season, and would help a starving student carver/beginner racer. It’s all black, ptex topsheet w hot yellow “nobile” 5-ish yr old.

I allocated ‘moon boot resources to a better (and intimidating) brain bucket ; )

did I hear Roffe?!

yes, I think so (imo); hence some amount (discreet, some, pronounced) of “drift” to pressure sooner, begin direction change sooner, control speed sooner.

hope to explain this good enough, but I take away some of the transition/acceleration on steeps by unweighting enough to swivel tail a bit; ie, board is 90° perpendicular to fall line, or even acute on uphill side (turning uphill) when completing a turn, then swivel/set new turn-edge at 45° pointing downhill (racers do this). Granted, not as pretty as less-steep, “C” shape rolls into next turn. Also, I stay low the whole time on steep terrain. Great topic.

If you happen to find yourself at Grand Targhee during your northernly travels, gimme a shout (will you have the Cntra172 w You?).

Jer’ is a new person!! sidelined w hip issues, got dr clearance six weeks post surgery, now he’s arcing his ‘Burners & 185 Kessler again. Amazing!!

I’m not privy, who are the Bali Carvers? ..are they surfers, too?!

It is beyond-perfect carving right now at the ‘Ghee. Fri afternoon Mar 8th I escaped work for 6 runs and saw two younger dudes (HB&SB) just killin’ it; we connected for a few runs. The HB kid was on an older F2 SL board w TD1’s and ski boots, 65/60 angles and linking S’s on steep terrain; carving for a year. impressive. Love to see younger people gravitate to ‘board carving. I’m loaning these punks my Nobile 166 and Coiler 169, plus my retired boots—we all have same size feet. Come carve the Ghee.

..the ol’ trick w Emery’s & SnoPro’s. .

and/or may need to adjust cant on rear boot in a bit, or add 3° inward cant on binding (if flat); your stance width, angles, may be preloading some unnecessary forces, taking away flex range of binding. I dink w this shit so much just to feel neutral with all settings. It’s really scary to have a hardboot release, sounds like you’re not hurt…glad for that. I hope any comments from the group help.

RS is too flexible for the demand. I only use RS on my powder ‘board. RC10’s12’s, RCRs, buckled for carving, firm cord’ can transfer a big moment of force. ..are the heels on your boots worn? might need replacing.

I have for consideration: Nobile 166 Ti, UPZ RC10’s (25.5/279mm) w hinge tongue & rcr box & optional finTec heels. maybe bindings. sent you pm.

The Goofy Footed Contra-band is at Sun Valley Feb 25-28 with Jerry. Carving conditions look very good for Sunday, maybe some fresh frosting Monday, sunny again Tue. Any other ASB’s visiting?