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CB, I’m so happy and perfectly “there” with everything; boots, bindings, boards for ANY terrain, snow conditions. It all starts with boots; happy feet = comfort, warmth, performance. It only took me thirty years! Thank You for the time,xtra effort,demo. RCRs w CatekTribute/TD3SWs/F2Ti’s AT8’s w F2RS or Ti’s

The point is to know not just the mondo sz but the mm/last when comparing brands or models. I do not know subtle differences between RC11 and RC12, the ‘12’s may be a year newer than 11’s(?) and I’m sure either could be modified to your desire; liner/boot tongue/spring. In my experience, overall, deeluxe seem to be higher volume w larger heel cup — not good for my skinny feet. When I bought the UPZ AT8’s a month ago (as my “soft boots!”) from CB Utah (Chris, UPZ North America) I was lucky enough to try them on with different liners and noticing the volume difference. This has been a great thread, you have enough info to make a good decision, and ultimately, you just won’t know for sure until you’ve got on ‘board w new boots and made a few fitment tweaks.

Copy of my post re: “downsizing” applies here to. Ask your UPZ person if the RC12’s and RC11’s have same “mm” specs on shell. There is not a direct relationship between mondo point and volume, different brands or different models within a brand can have different volumes with same mondo point. Within models of UPZ, generally speaking, race boots have less volume than recreational. I have two brand new pairs of UPZ boots; 2023 RCR’s and 2024 AT8’s, mondo point on both boxes say “25,5”. The mm/last #’s say 258/279mm, 266/287mm respectively. I have thinnest intuition race plug liners in RCR’s and intuition M-volume Luxury liners in AT8’s. How can same Mondo have different volumes. because! that’s why. Doing a shell fit w bare feet is Priority 1, then determining proper volume liner is Priority 2, then addressing any special fitment w arch, weird toe/foot shape, skinny/big shins, whatever, P3.

There is not a direct relationship between mondo point and volume, different brands or different models within a brand can have different volumes with same mondo point. Within models of UPZ, generally speaking, race boots have less volume than recreational. I have two brand new pairs of UPZ boots; 2023 RCR’s and 2024 AT8’s, mondo point on both boxes say “25,5”. The mm/last #’s say 258/279mm, 266/287mm respectively. I have thinnest intuition race plug liners in RCR’s and intuition M-volume Luxury liners in AT8’s. How can same Mondo have different volumes. because! that’s why. Doing a shell fit w bare feet is Priority 1, then determining proper volume liner is Priority 2, then addressing any special fitment w arch, weird toe/foot shape, skinny/big shins, whatever, P3.

If you put silver tongues in the rc11’s you may not tell the difference regarding stiffness. Red-soft,Black-flexy, Silver-Stiff, Gray-XStiff. I like hot lime yellow, too.

Try thread-locker on that female piece, ie Blue Loctite. Curious, is broken cant on rear foot? (which tends to get more force). Maybe switch cant w other boot and put washer/bolt on front foot. Re UPZ RC12’s. I assume newer version with Hinge Tongue (not the double bolted tongue) since you mentioned newer buckles. picture?

You are a long ways from Donek ..that looks pretty good. good enough to get back on hill; for how long? I don’t know!! Looks like you found a bolt to fit the inside metal piece? (nice). A rubber/plastic/urethane washer or something to interface w cuff is a good idea, it will delay the inevitable! Ask your fastener supply store about a metal-bonded sealing washer (see picture). I used Deeluxe boots for ten years, now use UPZ’s since five years ago.

Deeluxe boot parts are sold on Donek website. If hardware store, T-Nut/Fender Washer/pan-head bolt w locktite.

..I agree, and still feel same. I prefer TD & Catek for carve-only boards with feet angles 50+°. Yesterday I had my SLSHR & Donek/twin out in stormy 4” new conditions, and adjusted angles to be 38°rear/44°front w F2Ti/inTecs. Having a bit of lateral flex is GREAT w softer angles. The newer F2Ti’s also have toebail height adjustment. Anyway, Yes, do it, try it, you’ll find a happy Plate/Twin combo.

LUV my SLSHR! new this season after MCC demo last year (‘23)-with a couple mods, of course! 172cm (floor to tip) 28/22waist/26.5. metal, square/round nose, average SCR 9m, stance setback apprx 5cm. I modified my Contra topsheet design/colorway to be “SLASHR”. (stock slasher is scr 8m / 165). Back to Topic! Gawdzira, I (too) struggled w adding softboot set ups to my all mt, pow, carv options for two seasons; never liked it as much, so ended up w two sets of hardboots/bindings. “race”stiff and “flexy”soft.

what BlueB said not All “hardboots” are the same. My “softboots” the last 3 years have been Deeluxe325’s (a shell size big) w intuition luxury liners (thick high volume) and softest bts spring kit. F2 RS Bindings. Donek Hazelwood 175 twin tip (directional) w early rise front, 24cm waist, 45/40 angles. May sound “long” but the effective edge and camber is low, it wiggles just fine!

Not for sale, I luv this board early season, and would help a starving student carver/beginner racer. It’s all black, ptex topsheet w hot yellow “nobile” 5-ish yr old.

I allocated ‘moon boot resources to a better (and intimidating) brain bucket ; )

did I hear Roffe?!

yes, I think so (imo); hence some amount (discreet, some, pronounced) of “drift” to pressure sooner, begin direction change sooner, control speed sooner.