b0ardski Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Hardboot or softboot, raceboard or powderboard, Please post reasons for preferences I will always prefer stepin convenience even if I used softboots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.2 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 -Lower profile toe bail. More clearence at lower angles. -Feel more solid. Esp when adjusted up tight. -Love the dismount and go even before the skiers get their poles sorted. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Hard boots....I listened to all the reasons why not to and then I got old and started riding a small hill...Step in's mean I slide off the lift and barely slowdown on my way down the hill...sure it only saves a few seconds but anything that makes my ride more pleasant is what I like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastskiguy Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Oh god, 350 vertical feet and a high speed lift, on a decent day....60 runs in 4 hours. C'mon guys, I say "Step", you say "In"! Ready "Step!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Oh god, 350 vertical feet and a high speed lift, on a decent day....60 runs in 4 hours. C'mon guys, I say "Step", you say "In"! Ready "Step!" you put it so much better than I did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I haven't tried the intec system...but the old burton systems scared me so much with ill-timed releases that I changed back to bails and haven't gone back...but I guess that was 20 odd years ago so maybe I'll revisit it again soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvingchef Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 once i tryed them i never looked back they are easier, faster, you can put them on while standing and you don't have to bend over much to take them off, what can i say, the older i get the lazyer i get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allee Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Once tried, never looked back is the ticket. It's just soooooo much fun to surf off the lift and step in as you start sliding down the hill, as all the jibbers sitting on the ground bucking in stare daggers at you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted October 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Once tried, never looked back is the ticket.It's just soooooo much fun to surf off the lift and step in as you start sliding down the hill, as all the jibbers sitting on the ground bucking in stare daggers at you... I like to call it the wetbutt weave:eplus2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdyno Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I have only had one misload so far on my TD2s and it was easy enough to remedy. Of course it happened as I was unloading from the lift after extoling the virtues of the step in binding. Someones way of telling me not to get cocky I surmise...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted October 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 I was really good at "strap-in on the fly" but I found "step-in on the fly" to be quicker & easier in '93 & haven't come across anything better since. Where's the soft stepin guys. I've tried every stepin system I've seen, soft & hard except; the soft Intec & the morrow 3point prototype, and the hardboot F.A.S.T. Switch & Nitro are the most durable, mantinence free, time proven systems. It's sad that Nitro's are history:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 "step-ins suck." - former Burton engineer I know on softboot step-ins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted October 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 He was right, Burton stepins do suck compared to the ones that still exist:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Winters Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 TD 2 SI and Flows on my soft stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 But now we're just mounting the outer shell of the rear entry boot to the binding & walking around in laceup inner boots:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utahcarver Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I wish I could count the number of times I've gotten firsties because I stepped in on the fly while the hordes sat and buckled. I still use Rossignol SIS (made by Emery and referred to as a 'screen door latch' by PSR years ago.) on soft days. But, in almost 10 years of riding them I've never had an Rossi SIS release on me. And Intecs have been a time-saver year after year. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf Quebec Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 In the small hills we have around Montreal, step-in are very conveninent considering the number of rides I do in one evening. Also, I'm not as young as I look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuff Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 With most of our local hills under 300' vertical - I'd be a prime candidate for step-ins...But for now, choose to use standards over step-ins. Step-ins kinda scare me. I saw more than a dozen times last year when someone using step-ins ejected from their rear foot during a turn. (Sure..it was probably due to packed snow, and they usually broke free during the first or second toe-side turn, resulting in a low-speed fall..) but it still poses a significant safety concern with me. I can accept when bails or boards break.. but I have a hard time trusting another system (that can possibly malfunction).. just for convince. I'm looking forward to trying a pair someday - maybe I'll change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf Quebec Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I'm using TD2 SI and never had a problem. Because of that, I often start going down then I engage the rear foot ... Too much confidence can hurt you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Pushee Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Intec system rules. Once AARP starts courting you, you find that bending over to mess with straps or toe bails sucks. I use hardboots only for all conditions - just use different boards. On mountain duties (sweep) often involve moving signs or bamboo to the side of the trail. This can require unclipping the rear foot several times during a run. I suppose a kid could hop to the side of the trail instead of unclipping, but at 61, I'm not into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccidentalChef Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Eh, not a big fan of step ins. Way too stiff for me. I agree... I have a much easier time with the more flexible interface of the standard setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dahl Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 But not for the usual reasons. I am using Dynafit TLT4's as my boots almost exclusively. That does change this upcoming season, but there is no system for step-ins that work using an A/T boot. The old Burton step-in bail system might, but I don't think anyone really had good luck with it. And as old as it is now, I wouldn't trust it. I've used Intec with my TD2's, and Snowpro's Fast sytem. There are times I liked the Fast sytem a bit better,and I did use it on my splitboard with SB123's. The step-in convenience was great, I just like a lighter boot when I am clomping around the backcountry. If someone would build a bail-based step-in that clamped the boot ledges, and not one using a pin, that might make a lotta people happy...or not...I'd use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpyride Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I've been using step-ins for a about 8 years or so. Burton rat traps kind of sucked, and the Burton Carrier's were not that bad. Then went to F2 Intech comp (blue plastic and a bit flexy). Superb. I've found that not only are they better on and off the lifts, but they can get you out of a whole lot of trouble. Been several times, when I've come to some cliffs that I had to back off of. Never had to bend down to release and step out (I have extenders that come out of the leg zips on my pants). Some of these picadillos would have resulted in having to shift my center of gravity over the fall line on the cliffs to release a standard binding. Also in powder or cascade concrete I can release without sticking my head in the snow or burying myself any deeper. I've also found that when doing a traverse on a steep slope, if I miss the track by a bit, I can release and step up without going over the falls. I had more releases with standards that I have had with the Intecs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUD Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I like flexy bindings, so no step-ins here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 No step in for me.... - way too stiff, especially for EC when gravity placement aft and stern is important ( on stiff boards its not as much important, but on softer flexes concept it is) - cannot use my northwave with step in ( got enough spare parts and new shell for the next 20 years) - too scared by release pin - saw a few times guys locked in frozen pins unable to release... etc However in softboots, i know SIS, and also Shimano ( not made anymore) work good... a lot of hardcore freeriders i know on tankers or ST use the shimano system.. I'm considering getting a pair of flows, but is it step in ? Not sure since you have to reach the back of the binding to lock them. Nils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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