Jarcode Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 Seems like someone got inspired from alpine snowboard plates to experiment with it for freestyle use. Their claims are all over the place about this thing (and this prototype is affixed to the board?), but it's an interesting direction if they're proposing this has a competitive edge. Claimed to operate on some "patented superslide railsystem". Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svr Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Jarcode said: Seems like someone got inspired from alpine snowboard plates to experiment with it for freestyle use. Their claims are all over the place about this thing (and this prototype is affixed to the board?), but it's an interesting direction if they're proposing this has a competitive edge. Claimed to operate on some "patented superslide railsystem". Thoughts? Interesting to see Terje endorse it. Also interesting to see Terje using Now O-drives since he is no longer with the big B. The combination of the plate and skatetech seems counter productive to me but I am not an engineer so might be pretty effective. Edited November 29, 2022 by svr Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie00 Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 I saw that as well earlier this week and was thinking the same, it looks like the first apline plates. I would think this will fade away pretty fast. They don't show the hardware. Imagine the added weight as it's pretty big vs an 19 cm waist race board and it did add quite a bit of weight. The lost of the ability to pedal "twist" the board. Seems like Terje isn't the hot commodity he used to be in the snowboard world. He is still a hell of a rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Well, IIRC the only reason the same plates we use didn’t get adopted in BX had to do with some old guy showing up with one and smoking everyone (palm?) so a couple other athletes bitched to FIS. it makes a fair amount of sense! Just, the weight seems like a hard sell in that market. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 hi, i was looking at this last week as well here is the full article about it: https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/11/28/double-decker-snowboard/ https://www.ispo.com/en/promotion/new-snowboard-technology-doubledeck-snowboards in ISPO take on this, they say it benefits freestyle, carving and makes snowboard an easy entry for a beginner. how it is possible that it benefits all these groups. I am sure though it will be marketed as a revolutionary, completely new system to snowboarding, never seen before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuxdiesel Posted December 6, 2022 Report Share Posted December 6, 2022 It seems like a solution in search of a problem. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowboarder123 Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 I have a Double Deck and really enjoy it. It feels great for beginners and carves beautifully. Drift turns are much easier because you stand higher on the board, so you don’t need as much pressure for the board to respond. Beginners also benefit from not catching an edge as easily. For carving, it’s fantastic—you can build up more pressure during the turn as the board bends, which releases at the end of the turn in an explosive exit phase. The edge also provides much more control on icy slopes. However, it might not be the best for freestyle since the higher stance makes jumping on tubes and rails more challenging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 @Snowboarder123 Are you able to load some photos of the plate and the attachment points and talk about how the plate undersurface slides on the top of the board. There are pretty limited photos available on the Net. Looks like the rebound out of the turn comes from the plate, not the board so much, while the plate places the effective rider mass a long way towards the ends of the board, rather than at the normal stance points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Donnelly Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 (edited) https://www.doubledecksnowboards.de/blog/terje-hakonsen-erklaert they state the set-up will allow board can be bent up to 45 degrees along its longitudinal axis. Edited May 6 by Pat Donnelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 Innovation that adds, as opposed to reduce, is counter productive IMO, as the Plate needs to be integrated into the Stick, which of course has been done with Cores and added Layers of various and Innovative materials...personally, I would like to see someone actually try to turn a board around, a concept Dale Velzy used many years ago in his Balsa Pig... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 (edited) 8 hours ago, Pat Donnelly said: https://www.doubledecksnowboards.de/blog/terje-hakonsen-erklaert they state the set-up will allow board can be bent up to 45 degrees along its longitudinal axis. Whatever that means! If you believe all the verbose obfuscatory waffle on the website, you'll believe anything. A diagram which showed how much flex they meant by "45 degrees" would be far preferable. It might just mean they have a pool noodle for a board under the plate. I much prefer to see the mechanism with my own eyes, and to hear/read the reports of riders who are NOT paid to gush about a products performance. Edited May 6 by SunSurfer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 What I have been able to see and read so far seems like a variant on a sliding axle isolation plate, with a number of distinguishing features. a) attachment/load bearing points at the ends of the plate, and significantly nearer the ends of the effective edge than many plate designs. AllFlex is probably the nearest in this regard. b) no hinges, just a slide at the rear end (from the website description). The slide made up of 4 countersink screws in slots in the plate. I've not seen images of the non-sliding end. Exactly how the bend of the board under load is dealt with is not clear. How that interface holds up in actual use from wear and tear on the small areas of contact on the sides of the screws is of interest. c) it's not clear what the actual bearing surface between plate and board consists of, nor how the friction under loading is minimised. d) the plate appears to be a cambered "bow" (archery) like structure, designed to absorb and rebound the forces the rider generates as they make a carved turn. Control of board torsion seems to be a lesser priority. That absorb/rebound feature might help absorb forces from landing after aerial manoevures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 It looks like it's sold together, not separate. Don't want to rob the photo but there's a Doubledeck photo from the "Carving boards in Tokyo" way at the bottom under "softboot content" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 (edited) @barryj Thanks. That photo very clearly shows the difference between the front and the rear screw/slot configuration. Front: 1 fixed screw each side, the other able to slide a little. Rear: All 4 screws able to slide. Also found - https://www.ispo.com/en/promotion/doubledeck-snowboards-practical-test Edited May 7 by SunSurfer additional content Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowboarder123 Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 (edited) These are photos of the tail of the board. In the first photo, I am standing on the board's basic position. You can see the bow shift slightly forward and move closer to the center of the screws. The bow also dips downwards. In the second photo, I am no standing on the board, causing the screws to extend fully. I don't observe any changes at the front of the board. It's worth noting that I am not very heavy, so the setup may allow for even greater sliding movement for heavier people. Edited May 8 by Snowboarder123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowboarder123 Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 On 5/6/2024 at 6:13 PM, SunSurfer said: A diagram which showed how much flex they meant by "45 degrees" would be far preferable. It might just mean they have a pool noodle for a board under the plate. I find the board underneath to be quite stiff. However, according to the website, they plan to further develop the bow with different flex options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 @Snowboarder123 Thanks for the photos. The front slot/screw is going to move only when the board bends relative to the bow at the front of the board. What is the material on the undersurface of the bow? And on the top of the board where the bow slides back and forth on the board top? Are the screws threaded for the whole length, or are they smooth where they rub against the slots? The slots look like a steel insert, is that correct? How many days riding has it had, and are there any signs of wear on the slots/screws/board surfaces? Any instructions about disassembly and cleaning? My comment about a pool noodle was tongue in cheek. I suspect the makers are trying to tell us that the interface between board and bow can accommodate board flex in a turn far beyond that which any reasonable rider could produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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