Deelux delema aka Mondo 29 madness

[SteveInOregon]

Advise ?

I appreciate all Your advice but I am more confused then before ( humor me ) got burned out in my last "NuB Seeks Advice" post here trying to figure out should I get liners, or foot beds or orthotics, or foot beds and liners or orthotics and liners oy vay, *sigh.

I "was" thinking on attempting to pump up my old Nordica 3 buckles before this season starts about next week.

I got a bright idea and so I posted a "wanted to buy" ad here for a very late model pair of clean higher end boots that fit a 10.5 very average foot.

Well I gave some erroneous information in my WTB ad based on my 1st and only pair of Nordicas that say > 29 / 29.5 on their base.

Being naive I assumed that my next and much better pair of boots will be 29 and fit me like a glove like my old packed out Nordica's. ( hint > packed out < ) do.

So two nice fellows here both separately offered me a pair of Suzuka's in pristine shape , both are size 29, well come to find that one of those nice guys is twice my body weight and has a size 12 foot.

Soooooooo Delux owners who have a true 10.5 size foot > what mondo size are your deelux boots, yes with an after market liner in place, what size fits Your 10.5 foot.

Political Statement: Its time for us 10.5 guys who are the nations average sized guys , time for us to stand up and take back the shoes and boot industry and make the world conform to us, LOL

I dont want to waist the time of the guys offering me a sweet deal on clean Suzuka's in mondo 29.

If you have a 9 or an 11 it will only confuse me because you are living in a different paradigm, > I need to talk to 10.5 guys. :)

[tex1230]

Dude,

Measure your foot in centimeters. Stop worrying about the US shoe size.

This has been covered a million times here...

[Puddy Tat]

+1 and here's the link

http://www.bomberonline.com/store/boots/Sizing_boots.pdf

Cheers,

Dave

[SteveInOregon]

Dude,

Measure your foot in centimeters. Stop worrying about the US shoe size.

This has been covered a million times here...

Thanks , I am going to the local ski shop to have the mondo measured to get the right boot size so I can get this over and into a good pair. ;)

[SteveInOregon]

+1 and here's the link

http://www.bomberonline.com/store/boots/Sizing_boots.pdf

Cheers,

Dave

It cant B that simple, lol. thanks

[Bora20]

Yes, pretty simple. I measured mine myself at the ski shop and ordered the right size the first time.

[Bobby Buggs]

Screw it, Im gonna throw out a guess and say a 27 is the one you want. But thats With Thermos AND Foot beds:eplus2:

[Mike T]

It cant B that simple, lol. thanks

It's *almost* that simple: measure on whatever footbed you plan to use, rather than flat on the floor; if your feet are at all flat, "on the footbed" will be some amount shorter. (If you don't have a footbed yet, don't get boots till you have beds!)

[Michelle]

Gosh, why does anyone not believe me?

It IS that simple and that comes directly from the manufacturers. The US market has done something to their sizing to make it completely oblivious to anyone trying to make sense of it. I can wear a size 8 in one shoe, 7.5 in another, and 8.5 in another!

Mondo size is the length of your foot in centimeters. It doesn't run big or small, it just is the length of your foot. How much easier does it get?

These guys are absolutely correct, stop trying to convert your size and just measure it in centimeters. Take it from someone who sells boots over the phone and online for over 10+ years, with a return rate of less than 5% (mostly because people can't measure properly, or they don't follow the guidelines).

Wish everything in my life was this easy! :lol:

[SteveInOregon]

Gosh, why does anyone not believe me?

It IS that simple and that comes directly from the manufacturers. The US market has done something to their sizing to make it completely oblivious to anyone trying to make sense of it. I can wear a size 8 in one shoe, 7.5 in another, and 8.5 in another!

Mondo size is the length of your foot in centimeters. It doesn't run big or small, it just is the length of your foot. How much easier does it get?

These guys are absolutely correct, stop trying to convert your size and just measure it in centimeters. Take it from someone who sells boots over the phone and online for over 10+ years, with a return rate of less than 5% (mostly because people can't measure properly, or they don't follow the guidelines).

Wish everything in my life was this easy! :lol:

Thank U Michelle, and thank U all for adding some input to what "was" VERY confusing. I will be at the ski shop to measure my feet in CM's.

I am glad You say "return's" cause I think I remember reading that Fin said somewhere on this site in a primer on boots and sizes about something like > If your new boots You bought from me don't fit, tuff toe nails cause there yours now :)< .

I would freak out if I paid $500 for a pair ( which I am willing to do & ONLY buy them here to support BOL )

Imagine, I open them up like a boy on Xmass day ,put one foot into one and find they are so small I cant even get my foot in and then I call and get Fin's answering machine > "Hi you have reached the BOL merchandise returns call center, unfortunately there is NO return center , but we do have some nice elevator music to listen to if you want to stay on hold till hell has packed pow" .

So I am getting my NuB tooties over 2day to get measured the right way. :D

[pokkis]

Dont worry about to order too small boots, 90% of people order too big ones.

[Michelle]

> If your new boots You bought from me don't fit, tuff toe nails cause there yours now :)

HA HA HA!!! That sounds exactly like something Fin would say! That's why he is not allowed to deal with sales and customers, you deal with that stuff through me :D

> I would freak out if I paid $500 for a pair ( which I am willing to do & ONLY buy them here to support BOL )

Imagine, I open them up like a boy on Xmass day ,put one foot into one and find they are so small I cant even get my foot in and then I call and get Fin's answering machine > "Hi you have reached the BOL merchandise returns call center, unfortunately there is NO return center , but we do have some nice elevator music to listen to if you want to stay on hold till hell has packed pow" .

:lol:

I'd freak out too!!! just make sure you read the instructions that come with them on how to see if you actually have the right size, because when you take them out of the box they should NOT fit. http://www.bomberonline.com/store/boots/Sizing_boots.pdf

See here for the return policy and let me know if you have any questions.

Pokkis is right, most people freak out and order them too big because they can't/don't/won't read the directions on doing the shell test, and they end up with a shell that is too big. So when they return them a year later with their liners packed out, I get to say "I told ya so!!!"

[Corey]

You're thinking of what happens after you mold the inner liners. Before you mold them, you can easily exchange them.

It hasn't been stressed quite enough, so here's another link: http://www.alpinecarving.com/bootfitting.html

I started with a 29 due to doing a size conversion - way too big! Then got a 28 as one of my feet was 27.9 cm - a little too big. Then I woke up and got a 27 and was happy after punching the toes ever so slightly. It was an expensive lesson, listen to the folks above.

P.S. You can measure yourself. Multiply your foot length in inches by 2.54 to get a length in cm.

[GeoffV]

I will be at the ski shop to measure my feet in CM's.

So why do you need a ski shop to measure your feet? It can't get any easier than placing your foot on a piece of paper, marking your big toe and heel and measure the distance in CM. That is your mondo boot size, vola

[mykcuz]

Finding the mondo size isn't that simple. Michelle swore my mondo size sounded too small but i checked a hundred times. I'm a carpenter, measuring is what i do day in and day out.

as it turns out, i measured correctly and had the 2 finger spacing, but my boots still fit tight, which everyone says is typical until you mold the liners. turns out my feet are wide for the size i purchased and going bigger would have helped. I didnt know this since my feet fit perfectly into every shoe and boot ive ever tried on. makes me think the deeluxe have no forgiveness for width.

So i think you should slightly size up based on width. If there was a standard foot width posted i would have checked and investigated how to pad out from a larger mondo size to be comfortable.

If you think about it width is just as important in sizing as length, and when you are faced with a 500 pair of boots that you are stuck with in pain for a bunch of years, you are right to ask a lot of questions. some of us have a budget which means buying new equipment results in living with your choice for awhile.

Classic length vs. girth convo.:D

[SteveInOregon]

So why do you need a ski shop to measure your feet? It can't get any easier than placing your foot on a piece of paper, marking your big toe and heel and measure the distance in CM. That is your mondo boot size, vola

Cause I want to also check out getting a new pair of back country skis biding & boots for off track, also check into alpine after market liners, choices of foot beds, and the process for an orthotic and put my feet into my mondo in a ski pile of new ski boots just for s**ts and grins and speak to long time boot people , also if or when I buy new pair of Deelux from Fin I will have no excuse oin my side to keep any possible return and I can back it up by saying Joe's Ski Shop measured my foot not me , and I can blow an hour or so of work off and get paid for it, ;)> gota prob with dat ?

[queequeg]

So i think you should slightly size up based on width. If there was a standard foot width posted i would have checked and investigated how to pad out from a larger mondo size to be comfortable.

I strongly disagree. You should go by your mondo for length. If your feet are wide, you need need to buy a boot that fits wide feet (head stratos pro) and/or have the boot punched out by a bootfitter such that it accommodates the width of your feet appropriately, while not being too long for their length.

My feet are wide at the toes and very narrow at the heels and I have a huge big toe. If I sized my boots the way you suggest I would have an incredible amount of slop in my fit. I bought my boots the right size. Had the toe area punched out to accommodate their width. The result is a boot that fits perfectly and is supportive all around.

[mykcuz]

good to know, ive never heard of punching out a boot before

[Puddy Tat]

I strongly disagree. You should go by your mondo for length. If your feet are wide, you need need to buy a boot that fits wide feet (head stratos pro) and/or have the boot punched out by a bootfitter such that it accommodates the width of your feet appropriately, while not being too long for their length.

My feet are wide at the toes and very narrow at the heels and I have a huge big toe. If I sized my boots the way you suggest I would have an incredible amount of slop in my fit. I bought my boots the right size. Had the toe area punched out to accommodate their width. The result is a boot that fits perfectly and is supportive all around.

+1.

There's another recent thread floating around on boots for flat feet. In general boots can be resized. Steve lives in Oregon (unless I'm completely misreading his handle). There are bootfitters out west. A good bootfitter can make a plastic shell somewhat bigger, however there is nothing that can be done to make a plastic shell smaller (yes you can stuff foam into it but that hasn't changed the size of the shell). That being said boots from different manufacturer's fit differently. ie Deluxe boots definately have a smaller tighter toebox than UPZs. Just due to foot shape I'm needing more work on my Deeluxe 225s than I needed on my UPZ RTRs (both of which are mondo 28).

Cheers,

Dave

[KingCrimson]

Cause I want to also check out getting a new pair of back country skis biding & boots for off track, also check into alpine after market liners, choices of foot beds, and the process for an orthotic and put my feet into my mondo in a ski pile of new ski boots just for s**ts and grins and speak to long time boot people , also if or when I buy new pair of Deelux from Fin I will have no excuse oin my side to keep any possible return and I can back it up by saying Joe's Ski Shop measured my foot not me , and I can blow an hour or so of work off and get paid for it, ;)> gota prob with dat ?

I wouldn't mess around with too many ski boots, you're going to get the impression that you measured your foot wrong. Ski boots always are way too tight in the shop.

[Puddy Tat]

I appreciate all Your advice but I am more confused then before ( humor me ) got burned out in my last "NuB Seeks Advice" post here trying to figure out should I get liners, or foot beds or orthotics, or foot beds and liners or orthotics and liners oy vay, *sigh.

We're up to 20 replies in 19 hours again. Steve might be about to get burned out on us again. :rolleyes:

[SteveInOregon]

We're up to 20 replies in 19 hours again. Steve might be about to get burned out on us again. :rolleyes:

Mmmmmm , I defiantly was confused as hell for a bit, but now I am relaxed because I gave up, lol.

I tried logic and wondered why a guy 150lbs heavier than me with puffy size 12 EE feet- 2 1/2 sizes up from mine fits into a mondo 29 perfectly and I fit into my mondo 29's perfectly and my liners are packed out and his are almost new, so that didn't work.

Then Tex called me on being lazy "again" for not reading past posts.:D

Now my reptile brain has take over I poured wine into my skull and went into cyber slap stick mode and started posting a made up game called "Name The Mystery Bomber " while waiting for this Fri for my local mountain to open.

In the mean time a cool BOL user on another topic forum thread here "nailed it" with one of the prime reasons I didn't think about as to why my nose caught & stuffed while going real slow as I was checking my speed doing a 45 degree heel slide to really slow down ot not spook a couple NUBs sitting in the middle of the freeway last Feb which ruined the rest of my season.

His assertion was ( without his knowing my board and wax situation ) was a possible lack of a good applicable wax job which makes the board want to grab and slow in deep late after noon slush , mush and skie'd up ruts while going slow.

My board a rock board I bought here at that time was my 1st which had massive series of bald spots under both binding bases were the P-tex was completely worn off > gone <, thus no wax adhesion in the weighted friction zone middle of my board , this could I don't know but it could very well contribute to exacerbating a stuffed nose , not completely but ad to an already bad situation as I was compeltely relaxed , very tired & sore and totaly nonchalant at about 10mph as the nose literally "stopped" as if I hit a hidden tree stump , the tail snapped up a couple feet in the air, the rotation went from about 45 to 90 and a loud "pop" as my nose side ankle ( I'm a goofy ) broke in my packed out old boot's .

So my common sense angel was having a conversation with my Hommer Simpson self and it said:

"Hey Steve why don't you get a better board, and up date those old boots with a Termo liner or nice foot beds or just buy a better pair and then when You hit the mountain again this year you will have no doubts that it's You and you alone that SUCKS and you wont be able to blame your equipment and I ( angel of common sense ) I can go have beer while you go find a tree to hit, :ices_angelol.

Hommer Steve: " Mmmm beer, I like the way your think"

Angel: "You didn't hear a dam thing I said did You"

In the mean time my newest and only 2nd Alp stick has arrived a pristine 9 1/2 out of 10 Volkl RT 185 and my upgraded bindings are also on the way, so alas I am trying to re-boot so I have hard drive this season, ;)

[Buell]

OMFG!

[trailertrash]

OMFG!

no kidding, somebody hook a breathalyzer up to this guy's computer ... quick!

[SteveInOregon]

no kidding, somebody hook a breathalyzer up to this guy's computer ... quick!

LOL :rolleyes: