everts72 Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 I think it's only one moutingposition. So every board for this plate is custom made. On this plate Rok Marguč won WC PSL this year in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 I see that the 13-14 Black Pearl boards are to be ordered with Allflex Plate inserts (at a higher price). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donek Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) We'll be offering the pattern as well. This plate has become popular this season. It is a very interesting design, but far more complex than any other system I have seen. <img src=https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/858847_4546073853077_1705928849_o.jpg> Edited March 2, 2013 by Donek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 is there not a considerable torquing load on the outermost mounts? the other slide/hinge systems that are around press down through their mounting points, but these ones seem to pull downward/inward in a lever fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 To my 5mm BoilerPlate.This had a subtle,but noticable effect on the 'pedalling' feel of the plate. I've adapted my camera mount to these bindings and to the Drift camera so I will get the first video I've taken with the lense being turned to meet the horizon of heelside and toeside turns and will post soon after today's riding.As you can see from the pic,it was a windy ride up-major tilt of the gondola:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Aside from the fact that the plate has no clearance with the surface of the board the main design difference is that this plate hangs off the hardware at the front and back not sitting on it. Can't see any real advantages to that concept but there are many parts to it. With the plate locked in the middle you will recieve half the movement from conventional plates. All movement is from the centre of the board both fore and aft. Unlike conventional systems where the board flex moves the entire plate forward on the slide hardware at the front only where most of the chop and vibration is generated. The net effect is you get half a plate facing forward and half facing the rear ??? Not true isolation not full suspension. If your on the fence about plates looks like this one fits the bill ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeho730 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Probably the biggest thing about ALLFLEX plate is one can subtly control and vary fore and aft flex since there are hinges on both sides. Might be good for top level racers who wants 0.01 seconds advantage per gate (actually that would be a huge advantage) but for mere mortal freecarver like me it I recon it's overkill. Steve, can I ask you how you mounted bomber plate directly onto the plate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Wow, that Allflex plate looks complicated! The center mechanism will bind with a short amount of travel. Maybe that's a good thing? It might act like the duckbill on the original Apex plate, providing a sudden stiffening once the board hits a certain amount of flex. You can't argue with success, but maybe it's just that the faster riders are on it. I'd imagine the quick riders have done double-blind testing and found its quicker or easier or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donek Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 The response I've heard from racers is that it's very energetic and responsive. I have often wondered if this feel is due to the limited travel on the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) The response I've heard from racers is that it's very energetic and responsive. I have often wondered if this feel is due to the limited travel on the system. Does the limited travel lock the board in partial arc or allow overflex if the circumstance dictates ? If it locks the board in partial arc it would perform more like Tinkler snow Stix than a plate. Edited March 14, 2013 by lowrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donek Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I have only held one once at the Copper RTTC. I do not know for sure that it does bottom out on the travel. I can only suspect it might be the case. I anticipate seeing it in greater detail soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piusthedrcarve Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Interesting.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Interesting.. Jack , Brian , John ( JP1) how do you think this will end ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 I had heard good things about your prototype that did the same thing Mr. lowrider. That was 2-ish years ago? Did it end up having any issues or quirks? The adjustable flex aspect is interesting. Right now you buy a new plate to change the torsional flex. However, once you figure out what you like it seems like you'd be carrying extra weight around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donek Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 On one hand, this sounds like a brilliant idea. On the other it presents problems. One of the biggest concerns among coaches is not knowing where the problems lie in their athletes. A plate system that introduces even more variables in an athletes performance is an excellent idea at the highest levels, but does not help an athlete or recreational rider who does not know what to fix to improve their performance. At nationals last year, there were far to many good racers coming into the tent with gear setup wrong. You'd be amazed at how many of them do not even know their own stance width, let alone where or how their plate should be mounted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoos Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 This is the MTV generation.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp1 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Jack , Brian , John ( JP1) how do you think this will end ? lowrider: Hmmm, maybe I'm not the only 'pedaler' after all ? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted October 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 A source of information and reference material for those considering a plate system. Allot has changed in both the development and construction of these systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Soze Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 You can't argue with success, but maybe it's just that the faster riders are on it. A point well worth consideration, but looking at today's PGS podiums... MEN 1st- ALLFLEX 2nd - ALLFLEX 3rd - SG WOMEN 1st- ALLFLEX 2nd - ALLFLEX 3rd - ALLFLEX They may have just Kessler'd the plate market. That might even be F2 Race Titanium level domination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Yes, and so little said here about the plate. More info from those using the plate would be ideal. Who is offering them for sale in the USA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Soze Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Who is offering them for sale in the USA? Good question. From their website, I'm assuming the company is Slovenian? I assume Sean probably has more info, as I believe he said he's building boards to accommodate the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donek Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 It's been dominating GS on the world cup since last season. The Slalom plate is new this season. At this point it has to be ordered direct. While it's a great race plate, I have not had any feedback with regard to recreational use. I have not ridden one yet. It stiffens a board a fair bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Soze Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Thanks, Sean. It looks like it would be pretty heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkaholic Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Who is offering them for sale in the USA? I believe that ABS in Boulder has them. Been a while since I have been in the shop but I remember seeing one on the wall last time I was there. Ink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmatic Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 For to be right: MEN 1st- ALLFLEX 2nd - SG 3rd - ALLFLEX And since 2002 SLC Olympics for PGS Kessler's again on the top! MEN 1st- Kessler 2nd - SG 3rd - Oxess WOMEN 1st- Kessler 2nd - Black Pearl 3rd - Kessler for boots: MEN 1st- Northwave .950 - 98/99 2nd - Deeluxe Track 700 3rd - Northwave .950 97/98 WOMEN 1st- Dalbello Krypton 2nd - Northwave .950 - 97/98 3rd - UPZ RC10 Allflex plates blowed out UPM insert pattern systems. They are way easier for riders to setup and find out sweet spot of binding positions then on pure isolating plates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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