barryj Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Uhg!! Still agonizing over which liner to get for my new Track 435 Pro's Spoke to Intuition, they suggest the Dreamliner Low Volume for my less than 1 finger shell fit.....but the description reads and looks a little too Utilitarian to me! All I know is I expect I'll need a low volume liner and I'm not interested in the wrap style and I want Zero heel movement for Hard Charging Carving! Any Suggestions??? Edited October 31, 2018 by barryj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPablo Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Shim the top of your boot with something to take up space, its dorky and annoying but works well on my Track 700s that have way to much space up there. I don't think there is a liner out there that would fill up the extra space I have in my boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Have a look at zipfit.com I just purchased the grand prix with sidewinder as per recommendation from one of the bootfitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredman Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 I went down 1 full size and heel lift problem solved. I have ridden Deluxe 700’s and SB series for years and finally tried going down 1 size (thinking I was in the right size all along). Got into a pair of 425 pro last season (stock thermo liner) a full size smaller and no more heel lift issues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Hey Slap........ how much was your Gran Prix with Sidewinder option ?? Dred.....yea Fin already got me down to a performance fit.... I'm already down 1 1/2 from my street shoes.....I'm a 11 1/2 -12 in most shoes and I'm riding size 10/ Mondo 28 Don't think I could go down to 27.5 without chopping off some toes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Considered a bootfitter @barryj? Sounds like all you really want is a good fit (no heel lift) and any decent boot tech can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Zipfit was Pricey at 295 euro. That's similar to injected foam liners. Seller was good enough to provide 3 tubes of omfit. This the material that goes into the liner and keeps you let in place. You can add or remove omfit freely at will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 41 minutes ago, Lurch said: Sounds like all you really want is a good fit True that....... but I don't have any liner for this boot yet ....and going to a shop with a boot fitter is gonna sell me on the best brand "That They Carry"......... I'd like to narrow it down before I go into a shop........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailertrash Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 hours ago, barryj said: I want Zero heel movement for Hard Charging Carving! Any Suggestions??? Foam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe T Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 What is the stock liner for 425 Pro? Saw a spec. listing Speed TF which I believe is a Deeluxe thermo liner? I recently looked at a pair that my friend just picked up after visiting family in Europe. I was surprised to see that they came with Palau liners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 28 minutes ago, Gabe T said: What is the stock liner for 425 Pro? Yeah, I had heard Palau was making the liners for Deeluxe. YYZ says The heat moldable Speed TF 141 Liner is standard on the 425. https://www.yyzcanuck.com/shop/boots/deeluxe-141-liner/ I bought my boots without a liner....just the shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe T Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, barryj said: Yeah, I had heard Palau was making the liners for Deeluxe. YYZ says The heat moldable Speed TF 141 Liner is standard on the 425. https://www.yyzcanuck.com/shop/boots/deeluxe-141-liner/ I bought my boots without a liner....just the shell. Do they brand them as Deeluxe though? The boots I saw had a Palau branded liner. You buy new or from an individual? I've never seen just the shell being sold separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) No those liners actually say Palau. I got them off ebay....out of Germany Brand New...still in the original box https://www.ebay.com/itm/152946607023?ViewItem=&item=152946607023&var=452717097136 Edited November 1, 2018 by barryj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 @barryjI think what @slapos said is good. Try ZipFit, Sidas or BootDoc. I just ordered a pair of WB Worldcup Foam for my Mountain Slope .951 as per @Puhutes (Jennifer from Mountain Slope) recommendation. They were AUD499 including the tongue and fitting. That's about EUR315 or USD350. By the way, if you contact Palau directly, they can build you a custom thermo liner and it doesn't cost too much more than normal. I had a pair of stock Powerfit Hard shipped here for a friend of mine and they were EUR105ish including shipping. The shipping cost is included in the Palau website, and don't forget the cost on the Palau site is including 20% Euro VAT, which gets removed in cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 I have moulded the zipfit. iron grip on the heel. Of course carpet carving is not quite the same as snow but... Will report back in dec 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 3 hours ago, slapos said: I have moulded the zipfit. iron grip on the heel. Of course carpet carving is not quite the same as snow but... Will report back in dec How is the height of the ZF in relation to the .951? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) Zipfit is higher than my upz foam liner. Will work well for sure. I bought the grand prix with sidewinder and this liner takes more space in the shell, so I had to adjust all the buckles and the buckle teeth position on the cuff. This is a great option for someone with chicken legs. For all suffering with shin bang too , as the tongue is fully mouldable as well. Not something that you always get in injected liners Edited November 3, 2018 by slapos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 timely topic, I just got free69 shells from the same outfit(1st all new sb hard boots in 20yrs) ; decided to get intuition tour mod for the wider forefoot and customizable Velcro fit pads will update when the liners get here, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Really? The stock new liners in the Upz are like a vise... I'm really supprised more don't mention them it's the pure reason I go Upz.. The liners also have additional heal tooth inserts you can add that squeezes the shit out the heel.. Just picked up the new RC12.. Impressive.. Buckles are the bomb.. They stay locked open and away and the bails on them are burly , the tounges swivel out of the way.. Light.. Meh.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 I agree on The upz liners being like a vise, however they have the tendency to pack out under use and temperature. If I would carve all day, than at the end of the day my feet would be loose. This is the primary reason why I bought injection liners in the first place. I really hope zipfit will be better than the injection liners, given the price. Check out the sidewinder feature on the zipfit liner - medial support which I think will be beneficial in alpine snb. Zipfit are very well made - I think the best that I have seen so far. And no I am not trying to justify the purchase price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted November 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Hmm....UPZ liners can be bought separately?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 Probably, but it seems that many riders never use them so there are probably many out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west carven Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 howdy barryj so what I wrong with heel lift?... I swim in my boots... it gives me more range of movement... a locked in heel will limit your range of motion... don't listen to what is said on this fourm… listen to what to what your body needs to get the edge to engage in a way that puts your body in optimal position to get the edge engaged... if you watch surfers, sometimes their on their tippy toes... but then again... my 2 cents isn't worth much in this inflated times... so swim... don't drown... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 Well everybody likes it slightly different I don't like slop in the boots. Justin R. Once asked me during one of the coaching sessions: what is the easiest way to put the board on edge ? Lift your toes or you heels. You can do it with swimming in your boots or completely locked in. Up to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted November 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 16 hours ago, west carven said: so what I wrong with heel lift? I like a little heel lift with my pow hardboot setup but like a locked in heel fit with my hard charging boot setup....and want to see what less heel lift than in my Track 700's does for me in the new 425 Pro boots..... Anybody tried the Deeluxe Heel Harness?? Inexpensive option for sure..... https://www.yyzcanuck.com/shop/boots/deeluxe-heel-harness/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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