barryj Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Ok.....wondering what the concensus is these days for setting up plate angles......I've been at 55/55 forever on old Oxygen 01's BJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Search angles Try these threads http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31011&highlight=angles http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=30745&highlight=splay http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27566&highlight=angles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnuts514 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 One way to do it is wherever your boots don't overhang, depends on the board, rider's foot size..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I mellowed down a bit in the last couple of years as boards are a bit wider and it seems to work fine. Also I can use the same stance on powder and race boards. 50/55 or 55 parallel or somewhere around there for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Buggs Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 The trend today if there is one seems to be going a little lower with many newer boards coming in a bit wider. That being said your body and style will dictate whats right for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Carver Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I think that I am weird. I have gone to a wider prior and have transitioned from 55/55 to 60/55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOODTYPEZX10R Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 60 front 67 rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hey BloodyT, Isn't a steeper angle in the back unusal....not the norm?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LambertoMI Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 65 front, 67 rear on burtons around 20cm wide 73 front, 75 rear on Virus around 17.5 wide Mondo 27 pt boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOODTYPEZX10R Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Being somewhat pigeon toed it feels better. I have always had a steeper angle in rear than in front. I also believe that steeper rear angle reduces the amount of cant that is needed. I do not use any cant on front or rear bindings and I can tuck my back knee right into my front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 ... I can tuck my back knee right into my front. Oh, no, no, no, we are not going there! Please guys. Really. Angles... Ski, monoski, skwall: 0/0 Carve: Whatever puts me close to the edge (over or under) on a given board, front never less then 45, splay 5 to 10. Freeride, pow: Front 45, rear 35 to 25, depending on the board width. Teach softbooters (on hardboots): beginers +20/-5, advanced +25/+5 Lifts cants... Carve: Front small toe lift, back big heel lift, no cant Freeride, pow: As above but with inward cant back Teach: Small toe lift front, small heel lift back, no cants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 70/65 Prefer narrow boards in the 17.8 to 19CM waist. Mondo 29 boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I still cant fathom how some people can ride with a higher angle on the rear foot, pigeon-toed or whatever... please dont take any offense, it just seems so alien and unnatural to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LambertoMI Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I have been riding for over 20 some yrs with hard plates. I used to be forced on old burtons (5 bolt bindings) to ride a splay stance with the rear angle less than the front. Once they went to 3d bindings, I was able to get my back foot in tight. Mind you, I used to ride asymetrics and the old school style. I used to feel awkward with my rear knee poking out from my body. Now, with a 7 degree lift, and 2 degrees more rear angle, I can get my knees in a good form that feels very fluid. I propbably lose more edge power, but I ride stiff boots and it gives me the control I need. But it is an evolution when you have been riding a long time. Some good habits, and some bad. But the style you started with always hangs around I guess.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LambertoMI Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I also think pigeon toed is less and less with the higher the angle that you ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I still cant fathom how some people can ride with a higher angle on the rear foot, pigeon-toed or whatever... Have you a firm grasp on why 'most' prefer splay to parallel? Bones and their articular surfaces are not always 'straight', and for some, a toed-in stance reduces joint stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Have you a firm grasp on why 'most' prefer splay to parallel?Bones and their articular surfaces are not always 'straight', and for some, a toed-in stance reduces joint stress. No, all I know is when I see surfers or skateboarders, who ride in what I could say is the most "natural" position a body occupies on a board, I've never seen someone's rear leg tucked and twisted further inward than their front leg. Ouch. Or when people slide on a slippery floor. Or a quick look at the Vitruvian Man; natural body mechanics give us a built splay that should be adapted into binding setup. For the same reason I can also say people who ride parallel angles are weird. And those who ride goofy. And guys who ride on skwals: psychos. Oh yea, that guy with that hat, he's different from me, also weird. You too Beckmann. In addition I cant imagine it being easy to tilt the board on edge and pressure it hard enough to make a hockey stop with such a setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 On skateboard i see people ride quite often with pigeon setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I run the lowest rear foot angles I can for a given board width (using Fuego method), and then about 5-7 degrees more for the front foot. That gives more underhang than I'd like on the front foot, but my knees are happier for it. My knees are even happier at 10+ degrees of splay, but I don't like how it affects my riding. For the same reason I can also say people who ride parallel angles are weird. And those who ride goofy. And guys who ride on skwals: psychos. Oh yea, that guy with that hat, he's different from me, also weird. You too Beckmann. I laughed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LambertoMI Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hockey stop?? Is that a quote from Aspen Extreme (the skier movie)? :lol: Again, as many folks will tell you, you ride what feels right. When I get my knees in line together and let my waist move with the board more fluidly. And this is always about personal preferences. How ever you ride your best is the right way. If you see my setup, you might go WTH...? But you see my lines and fall line, there is no question. Any time you are wanting to eat snow, I will be glad to demonstrate my hockey stop!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 On skateboard i see people ride quite often with pigeon setup. For real???? Well... there go all my supposedly infallible preconceived notions, you've left me now with nothing pokkis, do you realize that? Nothing. No... no... I will still hold on to them. Pokkis, you and those longboard freaks are all wrong, all wrong, stop sort out your bones and joints and then we'll talk. Lamberto, how else would you call a quick sudden stop that sprays snow? I hereby vote to introduce such nouveau nomenclature into our lexicon ("our"...), including with the aptly named term: "bomber-style". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LambertoMI Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Ha, I would say that maneuvre is called "dickie". Or at least that is what the youngsters say in the lift line when I give them a few inches of fresh powder in the face..... I do not know what else to call it. Hockey stop is the old term I used a long time ago. But I never came up with a better term for spray. Perhaps the term should be edge spray? Or is it a forecast term, like snowy with a chance of dusting....I like the "dusting" term.... Did we mention to be a really good BOL or EC you need to be double jointed? That way heelside and toeside carves are really the same.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 "Hockey stop" is a term used in CASI, too. At the end of the day, we invented the hockey ;) (Canadians, not CASI :D ). DH longboarders use pigeon toed tuck. Some slalom skateboarders have toed-in stance too. On a snowboard, I feel more locked into the carve with parallel or toed-in stance, and more mobile with a splay. More splay I put in, easier it becomes to do sliding turns, moguls, etc, while the heel side carves suffer a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 As BB wrote, i was refering mainly to slalomers but also for dh-riders :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 ...natural body mechanics give us a built splay that should be adapted into binding setup. A bit like saying if you can't operate the gear selector when your seat is too far back, sit a bit anti-clockwise to extend your reach... Though splay is a statistical normality, that does not imply that it is the functional ideal for all 'boarding' applications. Splay on a snowboard is derived in large part from the conformation of the feet, particularly the mobility of the first metatarsals, (and influenced to some extent by the nature of the knees and hips while under load). At a fixed stance width, a rider with even a small degree of mobility at the first metatarsal(s) would bear too much weight on the 'blades' of the feet, if those feet were parallel. And/or, the ankle joint would be stressed. Add splay, and the mobility is accounted for, at least to the degree that the rider is now 'comfortable', with more 'bones on the floor'. Of course you have not addressed the collapse of the foot, attendant loss of ROM at the ankle, nor how that may influence ROM/joint tracking further up the chain. Comfort is a good starting point, but does not begin to account for all of the possibilities involved in an 'effective' stance. Ideally, one would consider all of the inputs necessary for quality riding, and then accommodate those, comfort, the need for an effective load bearing structure, unhindered joint articulation, and muscular efficiency. The best stance is the one with the fewest compromises. In addition I cant imagine it being easy to tilt the board on edge and pressure it hard enough to make a hockey stop with such a setup. I can't imagine only one effective way to execute a 'Canadian Power Slide'.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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