D.T. Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 But first they have to win this case, I wouldn’t bet on it. Exactly, but enduring the lawsuit will cost Fin major $$$$$$$$$. Hans has the simple solution: let's buy the store empty to support Fin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Firestone Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I was under the distinct impression that indemnity was strictly voluntary. In order words, the only way that Bomber could be compelled to indemnify F2 is if Bomber signed a contract that specifically required bomber to "indemnify and hold harmless F2." Usually, it is the other way around: the distributor or seller gets indemnified by the manufucturer, so that if you buy legos from Wal-Mart, and the legos have lead paint, and you sue Wal-Mart, the lego company would indemnify Wal-Mart and be entirely responsible for the suit. However, if Bomber did sign a contract indemnifying F2, that would be problematical. Wikipedia entry on Indemnity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hope not. Can't be true that a productfirm is not fully responsible for their own product, even if Fin has a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dold Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Reading the court website makes me think they are arguing that the part wasn't used in the right application (their own binding) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 I haven't really delved into this too much so could someone please give me a synopsis ( off line is ok jerry at jerry hadam photo dot com with no spaces ) of what the heck is going on with this. I would love a review right from the beginning. If anyone cares to help me out here as I don't really understand what the heck is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 http://www.tahoecarvers.com/riders/forum/read_TC.php?f=1&i=7352&t=7352 scroll down to my last post for the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Guys/Gals/BOL members As much as we love the support that this thread is producing, you know as well as we do that Bomber can not discuss anything about the lawsuit at this time. Please do not call and ask about the suit, as I will tell you exactly that. If it's public knowledge, it can be found on one of the web sites listed throughout this post. However, please be very careful about posting on this thread. Fin has enough going on without having to monitor what everyone is posting on here - please know that we will tell you what we can when we can. Sometimes things said/written/especially posted publicly, even with the best of intentions, can be used in a bad way. It's definitely a sticky situation, and rumors and specualtion go a long way on threads like this - sometimes not in a good way. Share things off line if you like, but be cautious of what you post in public. We definitely appreciate all the support. Bomber would not have made it this far without such a loyal and caring group that you are all a part of. Once this is all over, whatever happens, we will let you know and people can take whatever action they like as individuals to speak their minds. Thanks so much again, and just sending us positive thoughts and vibes will help a great deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Thanks Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 As Hans pointed out above, the issues is with Boards & More Gmbh, not F2 which was an entity of theirs. But... B&M's website nicely lists the brand names which they own. As stated above, F2 is no longer owned by Boards and More Gmbh. PDF Source Brand F2 in new hands The Boards & More Group, a part of the Airesis AG Switzerland, is selling its brand F2 to an investor team led by Gerald Pascher and Reinhard Hofbauer. As of 1.6.2007, the Boards & More GmbH is giving over its board-sport brand F2 (windsurf,snowboard and apparel) to an investor team led by Gerald Pascher and Reinhard Hofbauer. F2, 100% owned by the Boards & More (Ion, F2, Fanatic, Mistral, North Kiteboarding, North Sails), established in 1981, managed in the last 3 years under the lead of CEO and Brand Manager Boris Zwetkoff to gain back its position as one of the key players in world wide windsurfing and European snowboarding. The apparel line, taken over from a licensee, managed to more then double its turnover while being part of F2. The decision to sell the brand F2 was developed to reduce the competition within the windsurf brands and to focus on its core competence water-sports with the remaining brands Fanatic, Ion, Mistral, North Kiteboarding and North Sails. Reinhard Hofbauer, former manager of different sports companies, shows decades of sporting goods experience, especially in the board sport area. He will take over the lead starting June 1st, 2007. His experience in the industry mixed with the know-how and attitude of a big part of the actual F2 employees which will move to the new headquarter in the area of Salzburg (AUT) will ensure the further development of the brand. Boards & More will still be responsible for the sales and delivery of the Spring/Summer apparel collection and the windsurf business till May 31st 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willywhit Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Sometimes things said/written/especially posted publicly, even with the best of intentions, can be used in a bad way. It's definitely a sticky situation, and rumors and specualtion go a long way on threads like this - sometimes not in a good way. Share things off line if you like, but be cautious of what you post in public. and we all know how the facts can be twisted by barristers...... remember- People in stone houses sink ships Now make like a tree... and get the hell out ! And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Seems to me that it is against the best interest of bomber for us to never buy f2 stuff again until all the remaining f2 boards are purchased from the bomber inventory.For those on a mission and with the $ to do so ,the best statement would be to purchase all the f2 boards left in order to help finance bomber's fight and then burn the boards in protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dold Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 F2 isn't part of Boards n More anymore. Burning a board doesn't help Fin. Why not sell the board and use the money to help the cause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 F2 has nothing to do with the lawsuit. It is Boards and More Gmbh who has filed suit. They sold F2. If they still owned F2, I doubt they would be suing their US distributor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 F2 isn't part of Boards n More anymore. Burning a board doesn't help Fin. Why not sell the board and use the money to help the cause? THANKS FOR THE INFO. I was just following the gist of the thread and it seemed just like you said,that Fin needs sales rather than boycots.I had alreadysaid to another memeber that I will use my f2 bindings guilt free as it is not my fight .Even better to find out that f2 is not involved.btw,I missed the earlier post about f2 changing hands.Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 There's been a bit of activity in the register of actions which suggests that a settlement is happening, and the case is being dismissed, at least between Joel and Bomber. There isn't much information there, and I'm no lawyer but that's how I read it. I'm hoping that this works out well for Bomber. NOTICE OF SETTLEMENT FILED BY PLAINTIFF BROADBENT, WILLIAM JOEL BROADBENT, MARDI-- SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE HELD, CASE SETTLED. JUDGE: CHARLOTTE WALTER WOOLARD; CRT.REPORTER: KENT GUBBINE; CLERK: ANNA REDIGONDA Click for a little more. I don't see anything about the cross-complaint from Boards And More though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheman0177 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Yeah though it looks like we need to wait until after 2nd September 2008 at 10:00am San Francisco time until we break out the champagne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gleb Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 My bottle is already in the fridge waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skatha Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Good news...but, everyone, Fin spent a bunch of money in legal fees for conducting a trade in which a client made a mistake and decided it was someone else's fault. So the victory is surely bittersweet and, unfortunately, someone got hurt, but, at least the court system in this case, realized that sh*t happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gleb Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Isn't there a way to get your money back for the fees? Or was there an agreement that no counter law suit would take place if they dismiss the charges? Its so frustrating to me that stuff like this happens. Fin, do you have insurance that covers stuff like this? My friend that owns the company AngeliBright told me he was forced to get insurance that covered him for a few million of $, but I'm not sure if lawyer fees are covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dold Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 I thought that Bomber's problems with Broadbent ended a while back, and that the current problem was with Boards n more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skatha Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Most liability insurance doesn't cover the first $10G of legal fees now-call it a deductible. In any case, it's steep. Lawyers go for about $400 an hour now. And having them fax documents for your case takes about 15 minutes of their time. We won't even go into the fact they charge to travel for you in addition to you paying for the flight, rental car, hotel fees, etc. My sister in law graduated from law school a few years ago. I watched 400 young lawyers graduate knowing that 3 classes of 400 young lawyers graduate every year from the U. of Houston Law School and there's 7 other law schools in the state of TX. Contrast that to there's 7 med schools in TX, they graduate 200 doctors each once a year. We're sunk as a culture because everyone of these guys wants to eat.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 What's Black and white and looks great on a lawyer? a pit bull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Yes Skatha Lawyers out number the people who produce something in the USA which is why India and China do most of our manufacturing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gleb Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 the lawyer I needed to hire (long story involving my college) cost around $500 an hour but he gave me a break since I was a referral to him so he cut it in half. Still cost a few grand by the time it was all done with, and I was able to stay in the school without losing a year. I guess with all the money I made from partying that caused my school to come down, I broke even after the lawyer fees. I got my credit card ready for my purchase of boots, bindings and BTS Missing winter pretty bad right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 During a physical, a doctor gave me advice. "You've got a spine, so rule out being a lawyer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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