Pansersoldat Posted Saturday at 05:38 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:38 AM (edited) so, my deeluxe boots are arriving soon and I already know I need new liners. and I wanted some opinions from others on which of the current liners I'm looking at is suitable for me or even suggest ones I don't know of yet body specs: 6foot 135 pounds with considerable leg power compared to my weight I use 100 flex medium volume ski boots (if that's a useful comparison) what I'm looking for: something between medium soft to the softer side of stiff as to not over stiffen the boot for me. I do have a BTS system in my possession that I plan to try out on it. here is what I've been looking at. my budget is about $230 USD shipping included deeluxe Hb liner: stiff from yyz canuck intuition tour wrap: medium Intuition tour wrap dual density: medium Intuition tour tongue dual density: soft Intuition downhill tongue dual density: medium neglecting the densities of the intuition liners for which I will contact them later for that. which ones would you recommend? any help regarding this question is greatly appreciated. update: I got the recommendation back from intuition and they recommended the tour wrap dual density 12mm. Edited Tuesday at 07:11 PM by Pansersoldat get intuition recomendation back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhamann Posted Saturday at 02:45 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 02:45 PM the tour models may be well suited for a backcountry hardboot, but may not be the best fit for lift serviced alpine style riding/boot shells. perhaps it may work for some. very specific needs. bear in mind i have no experience riding a tour liner and maybe others can provide feedback who have. given the information provided, consider a tongue style liner as opposed to a wrap style = more forgiveness. #5 from that list or similar. just my 2 cents. more forgiveness can be designed into a "softer" performance boot with the springs and liner. finding the right combination can take many years of experience through trial and error; technique and comforts adjust along the way. progress is made one way or the other. different shells such as the deeluxe T325 or UPZ xc12 and xcr or at8 have their own characteristics built in to accommodate these more forgiving specific needs as well. i believe the old indy model is most similar to 325's. the even softer 225's are no longer available as far as i know. what previous boots/liners do you have experience with? this may help. where you ride and conditions most regularly experienced may also help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pansersoldat Posted Saturday at 07:34 PM Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 07:34 PM 4 hours ago, dhamann said: what previous boots/liners do you have experience with? this may help. where you ride and conditions most regularly experienced may also help. My only experience with liners is in my ski boots. K2 recon 100 mv with stock liners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Donnelly Posted Sunday at 12:04 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:04 AM (edited) Try searching "liners" in the window in the upper right of this site for a bunch of prior discussions on this topic. Another source to consider is Palau Liners https://palau-ski-boot-liners.com/en/17-dual EDIT: Palau is the manufacture of Deeluxe Thermo Liners. Decent off the shelf footbed https://patriotfootbeds.com/products/freeride-footbed And if you feel you need different die springs https://www.leespring.com/compression-springs Edited Sunday at 11:51 PM by Pat Donnelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted Sunday at 08:37 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:37 AM (edited) I would make sure those liners work for your leg shape/shins. Going to assume you're a cyclist or something. Edited Sunday at 08:38 AM by Odd Job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pansersoldat Posted Sunday at 12:09 PM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:09 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Odd Job said: I would make sure those liners work for your leg shape/shins. Going to assume you're a cyclist or I am not a cyclist. Just for reference im 6 for 135 pounds. But I did intuitions fitment help thing and i put thin calfs because I do t know what their definition of medium calfs are. Edited Sunday at 12:12 PM by Pansersoldat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredman Posted Sunday at 01:18 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:18 PM Yellow spring BTS and mold the liners that come with boots. That would be a good starting point. Then see what your feet desire. Good at home boot fitting info here: http://www.alpinecarving.com/bootfitting.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pansersoldat Posted Sunday at 05:22 PM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 05:22 PM (edited) 12 hours ago, dredman said: Yellow spring BTS and mold the liners that come with boots. That would be a good starting point. Then see what your feet desire. Good at home boot fitting info here: http://www.alpinecarving.com/bootfitting.html I would use the liner that came with them, but they are basically toast. I did get a used bts kit with blue springs and i planned to get a set of yellow springs Edited Monday at 01:23 AM by Pansersoldat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pansersoldat Posted Monday at 01:06 AM Author Report Share Posted Monday at 01:06 AM i did order bindings today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Shao Posted Monday at 02:25 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 02:25 AM Intuition downhill tongue would be a good choice, but I bought FX Race instead because the FX Race is at clearance price on intuition's website now. Anyway, I feel like you can try any liner intuition offers that marked MV and in my experience Dual Density feels way better. It holds your foot, especially ankle, better while provide you with sufficient amount of support. In summary, I recommend trying DH Tongue (or FX race, I like the tongue shape of FX race better), hope it works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted Monday at 07:58 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 07:58 AM Liners are half of the solution to comfortable boots with good heel hold. The other half is orthotics/footbeds. DIY footbeds are relatively simple and inexpensive to make and allow you to try out the effect before you make a decision to get professionally made ones. I'm still using my DIYs because they worked so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Donnelly Posted Monday at 01:53 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 01:53 PM A couple of links to boot fitting tools & accessories: https://www.tognar.com/ski-boot-fitting/?page=1 "Shintronics" https://www.manoove.com/ Footbeds a.k.a. orthotics - just get something; off the shelf, DIY or custom as thermo fit liners offer next to no support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pansersoldat Posted Monday at 02:31 PM Author Report Share Posted Monday at 02:31 PM (edited) 46 minutes ago, Pat Donnelly said: A couple of links to boot fitting tools & accessories: https://www.tognar.com/ski-boot-fitting/?page=1 thanks. quick question if i don't need calf shims for my ski boots would that mean I have "medium calfs". and if i don't use insoles for my ski boots should that change for my snowboard boots? Edited Monday at 03:25 PM by Pansersoldat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Donnelly Posted Monday at 08:33 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:33 PM 5 hours ago, Pansersoldat said: thanks. quick question if i don't need calf shims for my ski boots would that mean I have "medium calfs". and if i don't use insoles for my ski boots should that change for my snowboard boots? Calf shims - You may not need them as you first can adjust your boot buckles/straps. As far as calf size, reach out to Palau for their opinion on sizing & density. Insoles, your soles may talk to you at some point. Expert insight https://beckmannag.com/hardboot-snowboarding/hardboot-binding-configuration/3foot-support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredman Posted Monday at 08:50 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:50 PM 6 hours ago, Pansersoldat said: i don't use insoles for my ski boots should that change for my snowboard boots? Some folks swear by insoles and/or custom insoles, so let your feet decide. I have always used the Danner insoles from my favorite hiking boots that are readily available. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00061SJCE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted Monday at 11:23 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:23 PM (edited) I rode for many years without proper arch support from an orthotic and thought it was fine. Then I tried them! I was able to reduce how tightly I needed to buckle up my boots, and had better heel hold and comfort than before. The DIY version needs you to buy a pair of near enough arch support insoles, a tube of acetic acid / acrylic curing bathroom sealant and some Glad Wrap. So customised to you can be trialled for minimal outlay. I used a pair of Specialized cycle shoe insoles, they come in 3 levels of arch support. I used the highest and still needed the arch built up even higher. Edited Tuesday at 12:02 AM by SunSurfer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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