Mord Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 So I did some digging and found CATEK's patent. It's U.S. Patent #6,189,911, filed Jan. 9, 1998. This means it expired almost exactly two years ago. Has any new brands popped up making CATEK style bindings? The kingpin + set screw design seems to be the best way to go in terms of adjustability and rigidity. I also cannot seem to find Bomber's patent for whatever reason. Does anyone have anything on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Check out alc bindings they are similar in some ways but in Japan and I have not been able to get a response. (https://m.facebook.com/alcplate/) Anyone who puts out a new catek gets my money! Could be neat to update a bit but I would buy a reissue or the cad files and make my own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted January 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Those ALC Bindings certainly look interesting... two interlocking plates to independently adjust cant and lift. It's like two Bombers stacked on top of each other! I wonder how someone can solve the stack height problem though. Seems inevitable with a cant plate based system like that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohob Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Judging by the images in the patent, they look like the OS1’s, not OS2’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Looks like this is the Bomber patent US5895068A https://patents.google.com/patent/US5895068?oq=doyle+snowboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted January 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Ohob said: Judging by the images in the patent, they look like the OS1’s, not OS2’s I cannot find anything similar to the OS2 bindings filed by CATEK, so I assume they're both covered by one patent. They operate very similarly anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Ace* Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 19 hours ago, neanderthal said: Looks like this is the Bomber patent US5895068A https://patents.google.com/patent/US5895068?oq=doyle+snowboard That's for the TD1. The TD2/3 has a different patent I believe due to how the canting system works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Looks like the only snowboard binding patent Fin has. He does have another for telemark bindings. Actually the canting system is the same and covered in the first diagram. What isn't covered is the method to suspend the canting disk on the isomer pad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno212 Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 Hello all. I am a machinist located in SLC UT. I’ve been riding Catek’s since the late 90’s. I’m thinking of reproducing the OS1’s in step in configuration only and looking to se if there’s any interest. I’ve reproduced all of the parts digitally and am about to start cutting a few pairs. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 18 hours ago, Johno212 said: I’ve reproduced all of the parts digitally and am about to start cutting a few pairs. 18 hours ago, Johno212 said: I’ve reproduced all of the parts digitally and am about to start cutting a few pairs. That's pretty cool! You should start a new thread so it doesn't get lost in this one. A second thought: change the rear heel bolt spacing so you can use the steel Bomber step-in receivers. They're much better than the aluminum ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjnakata Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, Corey said: A second thought: change the rear heel bolt spacing so you can use the steel Bomber step-in receivers. They're much better than the aluminum ones. ^ great idea! It might be too much to ask but make the base plate usable with TD3 (or other thick) elastomers somehow, thus adding more cushioning to the OS1. Wow I wonder if a "superbinding" could be produced using the best parts from various bindings with a few newly designed parts to tie them together... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) I have a plate adaptor that replaces the catek base plate and mounts to bomber lower just to try out that idea. Hopefully will have a ride report and pics this weekend. Initial impression is that it will be a bit too high and heavy but worth a try. Really wish the 0 degree bomber plate was lower asi it is like 2 inches tall for 1/4 inch of elastomer. Please go with the steel bomber heel Edited February 9, 2021 by neanderthal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 Metal version almost ready to ride 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 Oh, I grossly misunderstood what you were doing. All the complexity of a Catek plus 1/3rd the complexity of a TD. Bring your hex keys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 Corey, there are two guys posting about Catek mods or revivals. Johno212 is talking about reproducing OS1s while neanderthal is working on the TD3 adapter plate. An OS1 with the floating suspension of a TD3 would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 The Bomber/Catek love child? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Wolf said: Corey, there are two guys posting about Catek mods or revivals. Oh. Thanks for clarifying. I can't read so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 18 hours ago, neanderthal said: Really wish the 0 degree bomber plate was lower asi it is like 2 inches tall for 1/4 inch of elastomer. https://bomberonline.3dcartstores.com/TD3-Cant-Disks-for-Plate-Systems_p_289.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 I haven't used the BP but my understanding is that this part is made to mount a TD binding directly to the BP without an elastomer. Catek already does this. My goal was to add some elastomer under Catek if possible with off the shelf parts. If I am wrong sorry I - please show me the BP specific elastomer for this plate. BigWaveDave I have that binding. It is neat and certainly VERY strong. Only issue is that you have limited options for angles. On some boards I need a slacker angle on my rear for than the binding allows. If your angles work with this binding it is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) Top is stock TD3 lower (cant) and elastomer, bottom is thinner Boiler Plate lower and elastomer Edited February 10, 2021 by Lurch Schpellin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Awesome!!! What would be the downside of.directly mounting this to a snowboard instead of a plate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno212 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 In order to utilize the steel heel receiver from Bomber I’d need to create a spacer that provides clearance for the 2 rear canting screws. OR I create a steel receiver that utilizes the Catek hole pattern and clears the canting screws OR I just reproduce the aluminum one. Thoughts? What is the rub with the Aluminum heel anyway? fit? I can adjust that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno212 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) Successful toe bail prototype. Edited February 10, 2021 by Johno212 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, neanderthal said: Awesome!!! What would be the downside of.directly mounting this to a snowboard instead of a plate? I mount them to my Geckos... Never tried directly. Not much rubber... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjnakata Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Johno212 said: In order to utilize the steel heel receiver from Bomber I’d need to create a spacer that provides clearance for the 2 rear canting screws. OR I create a steel receiver that utilizes the Catek hole pattern and clears the canting screws OR I just reproduce the aluminum one. Thoughts? OR widen the Bomber/F2 Steel receiver slots to accommodate Catek spacing. 1 hour ago, Johno212 said: What is the rub with the Aluminum heel anyway? fit? I can adjust that Fintec heels quickly gouge aluminum receivers. Intec heels do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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