piusthedrcarve Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Shred Gruumer said: Yes.. Carve specific bindings please! better angles.. I too do the toilet seat turn initiation first move on heel side (its an angle thing)... But all is not lost as my new pick up in boots should make a huge difference.. I will know is two days what will be the next step.. at some point I don't want to go to far to lose the softie benefits...too far means..."WTF I might as well wear my hard boots now that Im on a 40/50 angles..and just ride the board with plates"... I want to be able to just carve enough then go hit the soft snow and bumps...and not have to bring two sets of everything when I take a trip.. I think the opposite is possible too.. I have a more soft snow, powder specific hard boot coming in the mail today... gee that will solve everything.. why am I doing this silly softboot carving again.....doh!! Because it feels different..in a good way... Yup. Carving specific bindings seems must if riders wants to keep the stance angles to be 'normal'. As you mentioned, I also noticed heelside blowout (at end of the turn) when I rode with 27F/12R. The board flex also played. But if I have more support on heelside turns, I could press or stack more the edge. Only way I can get those kind of support from highback is to sticking butt out with the binding angle. Maybe.... more forward stance angles (40/30) and watch for soft spots? or Extending highbacks where I press on heelside turn, like wings. (as a regular stance rider, I need left wing on both bindings)? Dang..another thing or two to test... Edited March 8, 2018 by piusthedrcarve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, piusthedrcarve said: press on heelside turn, like wings. Yep ,,we been talking about this... stiff wing highbacks ...love to see that! maybe we should use these wiz bang people on here with dem fancy shmancy 3D printers to make us some stiff highbacks with wings... some sort of retro fit replacement high back.. since pressure would need to be on the same side front and back,, goofy and regular wing highbacks would be needed....ugggg.. I wish I had a machine shop...and now I need a 3D printer too.... what next.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Shred Gruumer said: what next.... Soft Hard boots and plate bindings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, lonbordin said: Soft Hard boots and plate bindings... We had those.... Nordica SBH's.. hmmm I just saw a pair on ebay.... Wait,, what about these? anyone Apex..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shred Gruumer said: We had those.... Nordica SBH's.. hmmm I just saw a pair on ebay.... Wait,, what about these? anyone Apex..? I'm thinking you need to put a pair of Atomic Backlands in your hand. So light... so light... Follow the pokkis... he knows the direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) Never mind... I got nothing... sorry.. Edited March 8, 2018 by Shred Gruumer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, lonbordin said: Soft Hard boots and plate bindings... And not just any plate bindings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 hours ago, piusthedrcarve said: Extending highbacks where I press on heelside turn, like wings. (as a regular stance rider, I need left wing on both bindings)? Dang..another thing or two to test... I made a simple aluminum wing that I added to my front highback. 15 years ago? Maybe 1/8" plate, bent it by hand on the corner of a bench, attached to the highbacks of whatever bindings I had with button-head screws. Then I scrounged up some dense foam to make up the difference between the highback and the plate behind it. It worked! Not a game changer, but I was also surprised that I didn't bend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 I also thought a piece of a large PVC or ABS pipe could do the same trick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauleleven Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 6 hours ago, piusthedrcarve said: Only way I can get those kind of support from highback is to sticking butt out with the binding angle. Maybe.... more forward stance angles (40/30) and watch for soft spots? or Extending highbacks where I press on heelside turn, like wings. (as a regular stance rider, I need left wing on both bindings)? Dang..another thing or two to test... I've been experimenting with different angles, my two setups: 45/42 is for those super aggressive angulations, extremely like hardboot technique. 36 27 I use for freeride, and I've found my butt is naturally more outside the board during heelsides, it has nothing to do with highback support, the stance physically pushes your butt out. A lot of people say when you start learning carving (softboot), you should try it out with setups like 27/9, but we've learned that going big is the best way to really learn the intuition of the side to side transitions, I set up anyone starting out with ~40/30, and it works! 4 hours ago, Shred Gruumer said: We had those.... Nordica SBH's.. hmmm I just saw a pair on ebay.... Wait,, what about these? anyone Apex..? Apex boots are super gimicky, they also have that softboot in DIN ski boot, it sucks really bad. After one season my dad ditched it and switched to a basic Salomon 90 flex. As state above, higher binding setups are always better at alpine techniques, but going over 45 would mean dramatic decrease in side to side support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piusthedrcarve Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 32 minutes ago, pauleleven said: I've been experimenting with different angles, my two setups: 45/42 is for those super aggressive angulations, extremely like hardboot technique. 36 27 I use for freeride, and I've found my butt is naturally more outside the board during heelsides, it has nothing to do with highback support, the stance physically pushes your butt out. A lot of people say when you start learning carving (softboot), you should try it out with setups like 27/9, but we've learned that going big is the best way to really learn the intuition of the side to side transitions, I set up anyone starting out with ~40/30, and it works! I know it works with high stance angles. But I broke my front ankle and metatarsal (twice) when I nose-dived with higher angles. (Probably 45-ish). That’s why I started hard-booting initially. Looking for binding solution for low stance angles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 Soft boots don't work properly beyond 35°ish, unless you run the 3rd strap... The lateral support is just not there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 12 hours ago, piusthedrcarve said: I know it works with high stance angles. But I broke my front ankle and metatarsal (twice) when I nose-dived with higher angles. (Probably 45-ish). That’s why I started hard-booting initially. Looking for binding solution for low stance angles. Thought this interesting, using HB to avoid ankle injuries....just thinking of Annie and what her ankle looked like after a full load had no place else to go...JB had to stop SB because of his Ankle pains, he has been Smiling since I put a 3rd strap on for him over 20 years ago, of course Dave B destroyed his ankle using SB as well...wonder if it really matters which you use, sometimes the Torque just goes to the wrong place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piusthedrcarve Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, softbootsurfer said: Thought this interesting, using HB to avoid ankle injuries....just thinking of Annie and what her ankle looked like after a full load had no place else to go...JB had to stop SB because of his Ankle pains, he has been Smiling since I put a 3rd strap on for him over 20 years ago, of course Dave B destroyed his ankle using SB as well...wonder if it really matters which you use, sometimes the Torque just goes to the wrong place... :) hmm.. When I think back, it wasn't the reason but betterment of carving. :) But after those 2 accidents, I totally ditched the softboots. My boots were made by Marker, ... they were bullest and stiffest boots with plastic insert for its tongue and thick and bulky highbacks that were integrated with Marker's side step-in bindings. I rode them on probably 40-50 degree angles to carve. Riding style was old-fashioned way, for-after movement. I was at late 20s. When it happened, my front knee hit the snow. Boots were still locked into the bindings but the front binding pulled the heelside inserts out so were hanged loose. Ouch. I learned that No matter how stiff softboots setup is, first thing that fold would be the boots' ankle without any stopping. Last few seasons, I started to ride softboots on BX or carving specific snowboards. I had to suppress adrenaline to ride super aggressive and focus on my weight distribution more. I rode hardboots at same condition with less attention, knowing that hardboots will have a hard stop point that eventually break the board or pull inserts out before my ankle gets fold beyond point that it shouldn't. I will be much more happy standing with a broken $2k board than lying on the toboggan sled. The 3rd strap idea would be perfect solution for high stance angles with surfing style carving (I know you already do). But, softbooting needs ankle movements for various type of ridings with low stance angle and the 3rd straps idea is restricting the movement, I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkaholic Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, piusthedrcarve said: knowing that hardboots will have a hard stop point that eventually break the board or pull inserts out before my ankle gets fold beyond point that it shouldn't. I will be much more happy standing with a broken $2k board than lying on the toboggan sled. This line concerns me and is not always the case. I used to race in Raichle Flexon Comps and tore the bottom 1/2" of my tibia off due to the small ligament not giving. Riding a "race prepped" course for the womens WC I didn't feed the board through a toeside turn. The back of the board snapped out violently breaking the bone inside the boot. Ink 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 I've sprained my ankle severely twice in my, what I consider to be, perfectly fitting UPZ. I'm still confused as to why/how it happened though. Too much movement in the shell? I really don't know still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauleleven Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 3 hours ago, piusthedrcarve said: I had to suppress adrenaline to ride super aggressive and focus on my weight distribution more. I rode hardboots at same condition with less attention, knowing that hardboots will have a hard stop point that eventually break the board or pull inserts out before my ankle gets fold beyond point that it shouldn't. Holy shit man, I have never paid attention to that, gotta be more careful next time I go for the aggressive turns then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piusthedrcarve Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, pauleleven said: Holy shit man, I have never paid attention to that, gotta be more careful next time I go for the aggressive turns then... Sorry for scaring you. It did happened after landing from a jump that caused my upper body to go over board. The other happened when a soft spot held the board. while I was charging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piusthedrcarve Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, inkaholic said: This line concerns me and is not always the case. I used to race in Raichle Flexon Comps and tore the bottom 1/2" of my tibia off due to the small ligament not giving. Riding a "race prepped" course for the womens WC I didn't feed the board through a toeside turn. The back of the board snapped out violently breaking the bone inside the boot. Ink Thanks for sharing...but Ouch. I will pay more attentions from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauleleven Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, piusthedrcarve said: Sorry for scaring you. It did happened after landing from a jump that caused my upper body to go over board. The other happened when a soft spot held the board. while I was charging. Holy shit that must suck so bad... Could a side folding happen with softboot funcarving? ~45 front binding, higher speed (60-70km), super aggressive turn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 Ink is certainly not the exception...I have seen a number of Leg Breaks from Torque, having no where else to go...Bryan comes to mind right away as well..and of course Annies ankle Injury, where the local Orthopedic surgeon wanted to put a rod and 6 screws in her ankle... .When I have gone High side with my set up, the 168 soft stick, mixed with the SB set up I use, actually allows a get away, at least so far...that I would not get with a HB set up IMO 1st day Groom at high speed could certainly cause a side folding of a SB 45 45 stance to happen, that is why 1st day groom gets more respect from me, even 2nd day groom here can have soft pockets, that when riding you need to be prepared to hit... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 hours ago, softbootsurfer said: .I have seen a number of Leg Breaks from Torque, having no where else to go. So i should give up this whole softboot carving idea and stick to hardboots... Stop it your scaring me!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 47 minutes ago, Shred Gruumer said: So i should give up this whole softboot carving idea and stick to hardboots... Stop it your scaring me!! All the Leg Breaks were with HB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, softbootsurfer said: All the Leg Breaks were with HB. Cross my fingers.. 25 plus years not one leg injury...knock on wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 Yes, that definitely works unless you're doing Pow in the trees ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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