ITALIAN_MARC Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Has any one tried these been watching some videos they look so much better than the old clip ins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjnakata Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 22 hours ago, ITALIAN_MARC said: Has any one tried these been watching some videos they look so much better than the old clip ins? Do you have a picture of which clip-in you are referring to? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 On 5/18/2017 at 7:14 PM, ITALIAN_MARC said: Has any one tried these been watching some videos they look so much better than the old clip ins? Hey Marc, Check out this link posted under the soft boot carving worth watching - with review of Step On Softboot/Binding system on Moss Performance Quad 154cm board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITALIAN_MARC Posted May 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 Cheers I'll watch that now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITALIAN_MARC Posted May 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 RJNAKATA this is them bindings I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITALIAN_MARC Posted May 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 Really good video / review that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 maybe it is just my 3 strap infatuation...but I would have put the highback in front out of a softer material for flex...sort of like those rosemont boots in the early 70's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queequeg Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 That video review makes them look pretty great. I may have to get a set, despite feeling loath to support Burton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 Yea when the Burton circus comes back around next winter to my local mtn. I'd give them a try.......but from what I hear from the Moss sponsored softboot riders from Japan that are laying down the carves they need/use/want a soft softboot.......so expect this boot to be the polar opposite of a Burton XDrive for stiffness. I would like to see a photo of the base of the binding and the boot connection system. Carving in general is huge in Japan...... and Burton, not wanting to miss out their share of the $$ listened to those riders and made the "Step On" https://whitelines.com/news/burton-announces-new-hard-snowboard-boot-system.html Whitelines...aka: white lies. Great April fools using a Track 325. Could there be a Burton hardboot in the near future? Doubtful, but demand drives the market and the Asian market is really hardboot and softboot carving hungry right now and Burton being the money hungry whore they are might not want to lose their share of the market. If Burton ever has the balls to get back into hardboots they really should really call it the "Hard On" ....that alone would give Burton back some "Alpine" street cred! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpinegirl Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 I love the hardbooter who just happens to skate by in the background. Thank you for sharing that review. Pretty informative. Not as amazing as Doctor Doggie, but what could possibly be even on par. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queequeg Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 On 5/20/2017 at 9:36 PM, barryj said: If Burton ever has the balls to get back into hardboots they really should really call it the "Hard On" ....that alone would give Burton back some "Alpine" street cred! I think it would be interesting to watch if they were to get into hardboots again. I don't think they ever would, but if they did I think they would have to do a lot of backpedaling on their prior decisions to not look like total trend-chasing jackasses, and I think you'd probably see a lot of "over my dead body" type dissent from communities like this who have kept the hardbooting community thriving in the absence of any big-box corporate support. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRAZZ Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 14 hours ago, queequeg said: ... not look like total trend-chasing jackasses ... Bit too late for that, isn't it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Burton Trend chasing Jack asses seems a tad harsh ...fact is, they have been the dominant Trendsetter for decades and dominant market share for people who go snowboarding 7 times a year...if even 10% of all Snowboarders were Carvers, with the style and Tracks that brings, then the slopes would be to dangerous to even attempt......what leads Carvers to Carve? when all around them people are on Snowboards, spend their daze in Terrain Parks, completely out of control who cares...just glad that they do...such a rush to be going down a run in fresh pow or carving clean groom, to look over and see the line waiting to go in the Parks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queequeg Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, softbootsurfer said: they have been the dominant Trendsetter for decades and dominant market share for people who go snowboarding 7 times a year... I wouldn't call Burton a trendsetter. They saw the market potential for snowboarding as a lifestyle sport early on, and popularized it by associating snowboarding and themselves with popular culture. Burton is certainly responsible for growing the sport, but they just cashed in on what was already happening in pop culture at the time; not necessarily by creating anything new. Edited May 23, 2017 by queequeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 sure...popular culture really Sims was the biggest influence I saw bringing the Skating thang into the Comps early on...the first vids. I saw were Burtons in Utah powder and Killy Canons Europe vid in Pow...no Fakie going on at all...downplaying burton and or sims for their influences on the sport is coming from a different view of how the sport should have gone, Carving is simple and boring to most people, that is why I personally have seen so many come and Go...they learn, get stoked and then say...what's next? complaining that Carving could have been the dominant style and that Burton and or Sims were the reason it wasn't, is correct... the slopes here, would be unridable if everyone was trying to Carve side to side... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Carving is "simple and boring" ... i see a storm coming here :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, slapos said: Carving is "simple and boring" ... I wouldn't say either of those things exactly, but if it were the only thing I could do on a snowboard it would get boring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 my my...how we love to jump...simple and boring to those people who think you need to do something else obviously...most of the people here are not in that category! Carving and Pow is really all I have done other than a few hops here and there and some fakie when our son was by my side years ago...what about a slope where everyone is Carving...you think that would be fun? and the sessions with 100 or so is one thing...a mountain where all are carving on their equipment would be a place to stay away from... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 No worries, even with skiers, who are in general a bit less jib oriented, only 5% really try to carve. Very small percentage of population is interested in pursuing a highly technical skills and even fewer seeking perfection in those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 I heard once from a fellow snowboarder - "you ride in those hard boots, it looks very easy to do - I am pretty sure that I can master that in a day..." Agree with BlueB - most of the people riding snb on my local hill, are not interested in pursing: high tech skill, where all details matter riding a board that they consider very expensive and difficult to get riding boots which connect immediately in their minds with word "uncomfortable" (usually followed by : when walking ;P) it takes a lot of time ,stubbornness ,self motivation and persistence to get into that perfect line and position putting this into economic terms : barriers of entry and trade offs needed to be good at carving, are usually to much to bother with for most people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 The difference is not that one is technical and one is not...HB Carvers are not superior in attitude and or skill from someone who has spent years in the Pipe and or Slopestyle type riding...we are talking about how one enjoys the Ride, nothing more...Burton and Sims stoked the general population into believing a certain way of doing things was the best way...I rode and ride Burton equipment and I only use it for Carving and Pow while the other 99.99% of their purchases are seen in the terrain parks...this step in binding should be a step up as far as ease of getting into ones bindings, though I must say I actually enjoy the stretch I get from simply bending over and buckling my back foot in and then standing up and reaching for the sky before I head down the run...then again at 71 I need that stretch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, softbootsurfer said: .HB Carvers are not superior in attitude and or skill from someone who has spent years in the Pipe and or Slopestyle type riding... Amen to that. It's easy for expert riders to believe that they are superior when looking at the rental crowd, but meet another expert rider/skier that is an expert in a different facet of their sport and be humbled. I sit beside the big air jumps at the side of Buttermilk with amazement. I have zero desire to even contemplate that any more, but it's awesome to watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 No one spoke about superiority of carvers, or hardbooters. Heck, I didn't even mention the hard boots. I said that not too many people are willing to get into high performance riding of any kind, thus you are not likely to see everyone doing high level carves, day in, day out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapos Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 i guess it depends largely on the person and what they want out of their riding - its not really about being superior or not. One person wants to just stand up and ride Other wants to fly from turn to turn, be close to snow and pursue that adrenaline rush and bliss of emptiness of mind during a ride.... there is no other sport that helps me clear my mind better than hardbooting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITALIAN_MARC Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 2 hours ago, slapos said: i guess it depends largely on the person and what they want out of their riding - its not really about being superior or not. One person wants to just stand up and ride Other wants to fly from turn to turn, be close to snow and pursue that adrenaline rush and bliss of emptiness of mind during a ride.... there is no other sport that helps me clear my mind better than hardbooting. Got to agree with the clearing your mind there's nothing better than when your coming down beautiful scenery and all your cares gone ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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