1xsculler Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 What is the point of extreme carving? I'd rather see/watch/try to perfect regular carving where there is no laying down on the snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyt. Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 I think I like seeing carving. Euro, skiing, hard or soft boot, it all looks way better than no turning or spinning out of the half pipe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAlexander Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 extreme is handy when it gets very steep, double black 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 What's the point of any carving? We're not getting paid, it's risky (getting hit by straight liners), and we have to buy specialized equipment that's hard to find. Extreme carving is fun! I wish I could do it half as well as shown in the Swoard videos. For me, it blends the thrill of carving with a heathy dose of showmanship. You cheat your body a little lower than you can achieve on a pure carved turn by putting weight on hands/shoulders/hips, but you try not to make that obvious. This movie blew my mind when I first saw it, and frankly rekindled what was a dying interest in snowboading in my heart: http://www.extremecarving.com/films/2003/wmv/stoked1.wmv I keep that a copy of that on my phone and still watch it regularly. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workshop7 Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 1xsculler, I have always thought the same way you do about extreme carving. I have spent almost three decades trying to make the perfect turn. Wether it be on greens, blues or blacks, I'm out there concentrating on all of the techniques I've absorbed. Drive the knees, drop the hips, keep the shoulders up, don't reach for the snow, look where the turn is heading and not down the fall line, depending on the snow conditions and the steepness of the slope where am I placing my weight as I start or Finish the turn, based on my speed am I using cross over, cross under or cross though. I love all that is involved in making the turns I make. I also love to watch all of that in other riders. I find it so fun to watch video of guys like Corey (the ultimate in smooth efficiency), Jim (super aggressive and active) and Ryan (absolutely railing on softies). I could waste time watching videos of guys like them for days. Extreme carving does none of that for me. I know that it takes skill to do what these riders do. I don't think that extreme carvers are less talented. I just have no interest in trying or watching it. Edited February 25, 2017 by workshop7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) All of the above. That same movie and it's precursor was got me into snowboarding. As mentioned, when done on double black wide slopes (ie rare find in my corner of the woods), that quick edge change well before the fall line, followed by your head just above the snow below your feet, the Gs and knowing you're leaving pencil line on very steep are great fun. Don't need an audience for EC for those reason to be honest. Edited February 25, 2017 by Zone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyt. Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 hours ago, corey_dyck said: This movie blew my mind when I first saw it, and frankly rekindled what was a dying interest in snowboading in my heart: http://www.extremecarving.com/films/2003/wmv/stoked1.wmv This is the one I like. Type in Reschen 2011 on you tube search. There is one part where the rider rips a heelside right at the camera with a PERFECT toe side immediately after. Extreme/ Euro, I don't care what you want to call it. This is the best carve on the internet! The camera man yells out afterward "perfect!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted February 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Thanks for all of those informative comments as they help me define what I am trying to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, 1xsculler said: Thanks for all of those informative comments as they help me define what I am trying to do. Looking back and if I had to redo all over again, if you are interested in trying (watching EC over and over does get a bit boring, doing it is not though)I I would get really good carving techniques first, but incorporate the Swiss upper body rotational technique into my riding arsenal, and especially important is being able to do that edge change on very steep WAAYY before you reach the fall line. And don't reach for the snow, let it come to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.free Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Watching recent Swiss videos, whatever they do there, it is not really working for them. With every year, their technique is getting worse and worse. Sad.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted February 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 My favorite carving to watch is on a slope with a bit of a bowl shape where the carver goes a little bit back uphill at the end of each turn and initiates the next turn while still pointing uphill making a perfect arc with each turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 5 hours ago, billyt. said: This is the one I like. Type in Reschen 2011 on you tube search. There is one part where the rider rips a heelside right at the camera with a PERFECT toe side immediately after. Extreme/ Euro, I don't care what you want to call it. This is the best carve on the internet! The camera man yells out afterward "perfect!" This one? At 0:50? That is pretty awesome! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Zone said: And don't reach for the snow, let it come to you. Agreed! The biggest struggle I had was exactly that. That's an ugly stage with lots of bending at the waist and not achieving anything like I wanted. It wasn't until I ignored the snow and focused on technique that things started to click. Then the snow came up and touched me. Whoa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyt. Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Yes. Then there is another that pops up in the previews, " wellness something another" just after it and it has carvers learning with an awesome soundtrack. If anyone knows the tunes to that video, please let me know. I go to these and others to get stoked, especially when I have not ridden in awhile. When I can rip a carve like that, I will be good. Until then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyt. Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Corey, we have seen you in videos over the years, and you do not have to worry. You are a smooth operator! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted February 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 All for these comments from you experts and video clips as they are really defining the sport for me and giving me images to strive for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 39 minutes ago, billyt. said: Corey, we have seen you in videos over the years, and you do not have to worry. You are a smooth operator! Thanks Billy! I'm glad there isn't video of my attempts at EC or your opinion may change. ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Hi 1xsculler! Different strokes for different folks I guess. In 2000 I moved to Norway from Colorado and pretty much gave up on snowboarding, since I was frustrated with the kind of snow out here. In 2015 I saw a Russian video called Lock, Stock and two Snowboards and that is what got my blood pumping and got me into hard boots. I've since focused primarily on learning the North American "Bomber" style, but I totally owe EC style a huge debt for rekindling my stoke in snowboarding (and that EC stuff aint easy; or maybe it's just me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) What is Extreme? Since the beginning or at least late 80's at Milkland, there was a style, that was equated with Surfing, Cliff and Pure Carve put that energy out there...there were at least 30 really good carvers that utilized this style and yes..95% of them were Surfers or had that experience related to them to apply to their Carving...the Flow and Power they achieved in their top to bottom non stop runs with transitions that were so smooth they almost disappeared, is a legendary time for Carving at Milk... Cliff, Joey, Joe, Wayne, Larry, Sparky, Curly, Larry, Mike, Terry, Steve, Pat, Annie, Walter, Jeff, Phillip, Jim, Dick, Diane, are the standouts I remember from that time...all of them were a joy to watch...and there are many more that I can't name...what is interesting to me is how that style has lasted and been emulated at all the sessions that have been at Milk through the years...I have seen a lot of Carvers, racers included and no one ever looked or was any smoother or more powerful than this group, who spent years surfing at milk...I have called it the age of Camelot at Milkland, when the entire mountain was groomed each day to perfection...I appreciate All the forms and Styles of Carving...Extreme can mean different things to different people...there is a difference between a surfboard and an outrigger canoe, I know that many racers do not want to touch the snow even with their hands, yet anyone who has ridden with Joerg and the Pure Boarding crew and the other Outrigger type riders knows what skill it takes to utilize their whole body as part of the Carving motion...so rather than question motives or Styles, let's just enjoy the ride and different Styles...and look forward, to the evolution of this sport...Ride the Edge Edited February 26, 2017 by softbootsurfer 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 The true Zen of carving is when you feel like you are doing nothing and your board is doing it all. No rotation, no reaching, no diving, just balance. If you achieve that via EC or not, then good. In any case, let the ground come to you. I love that EC draws people to the sport, but it's an expert maneuver that shouldn't be attempted by beginners, and will teach them bad habits if they do. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Just to clarify, historically the 'extreme' in 'extreme carving' is the extreme angle of the board& body to the snow, not as in wow look at me I'm going to kill myself ;-) Edited February 26, 2017 by Zone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Jack Michaud said: I love that EC draws people to the sport, but it's an expert maneuver that shouldn't be attempted by beginners, and will teach them bad habits if they do. Very well put! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 21 hours ago, 1xsculler said: What is the point of extreme carving? I'd rather see/watch/try to perfect regular carving where there is no laying down on the snow. +1 I'm more impressed with and wish to achieve huge Gs but remain just above the snow. No touching other than a hand to keep track of where it is. I have been trying to get my boys interested in carving (fail) and have been showing some videos to them. They are impressed with most and also when we see a skilled carver when we are on the slope. the first time i pulled up a "eurocarve" vid one of my boys said "If i saw that on the slope i would think....oh, that guy keeps falling down" :) To each his/her own, but I'm with you (and it seems we might be in the minority :) ) No desire to armpit drag. i want the skill needed of course and appreciate that it takes much... but wish to leave nothing but a pencil thin line on the snow :) and not armpit hairs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 On 25 February 2017 at 7:21 AM, 1xsculler said: What is the point of extreme carving? I'd rather see/watch/try to perfect regular carving where there is no laying down on the snow. The thing is, I hear the exact same thing about hardbooting by sooftbooters. Im surprised that even in our ultra niche sport theres enough room to question the existence of various... riding styles. Might as well get salty over binding angles or baggy vs fitted jackets and just finish up in bigoted land questioning etnicity or why wont them uppity females leave the big boy sports alone. One poster already brought up nationality for some reason in some kind of troll comment. For what its worth, EC is what got me and a lot of friends interested in alpine snowboarding and I think it led the development of wider and easier to ride boards, let alone spawned other riding styles and improvements in alpine technique. Thouhh I agree it made a lot us reach for the snow when we shouldnt have :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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