Speedzilla Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 One of our local ski areas has announced that they will no longer allow "aggressive carving", this is an e-mail directly from their office: We will not allow what we call extremely aggressive carving as it does too much damage to the hills and is causing injuries to those who get stuck in the ruts. Ninety-nine % of the people with carving equipment do not cause this damage. Welch Village Ski Area, Inc. 26685 County Rd 7 Welch, MN 55089 651.258.4567 Has anyone else heard of any other area taking actions like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 It was just a matter of time.I worry sometimes that something like this would happen on our mountain even though the feedback for what we do is largely positive.Do they have any documented injuries related to trenches or is it just hearsay?A kneejerk reaction rather than being proactive and making a designated arena as with terrain parks or race runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedzilla Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 It was just a matter of time.I worry sometimes that something like this would happen on our mountain even though the feedback for what we do is largely positive.Do they have any documented injuries related to trenches or is it just hearsay?A kneejerk reaction rather than being proactive and making a designated arena as with terrain parks or race runs. My guess is that we pissed off the wrong person by rutting up their favorite run. Seriously, causing injuries?? I don't buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordy Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Could you please post the resorts e-mail address? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedzilla Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 info@welchvillage.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebu Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 That's a bunch of BS. I mean, come on, would you rather ski or board over a a void in the snow that's 5 inches deep or hit a random mogul that's a foot tall? I've never heard of somebody actually falling due to trenches (besides on here). And to actually get caught like that you're gonna need to be going near perfectly parallel to the trench. If your board or skis are at nearly any angle besides parallel you'll just skid right over it like it wasn't even there. Now if you were to hit a random mogul at ANY angle and you weren't expecting it, unless you can react VERY quickly, you're probably going down. It's a bunch of BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedzilla Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 For the record, they are also including aggressive carving skiers in this new policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I can see designated runs, but an out right ban is just stupid. I've been tripped up by my own trenches before, so I can see the potential for causing crashes, but I don't buy serious injuries. grom trippin trenches baby:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queequeg Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Wow ... that's RETARDED. I guess they would prefer sheets of bare ice scraped clean by skidders than pencil thin trenches that you can easily push through. What a bunch of retards, they're holding back everyone at their mountain now. I've been tripped up by trenches before, but usually, its been because my technique was lacking, not because of the trench. When people complain about my trenches (which isn't very often, as mine aren't that deep) I usually suggest that if they can't ride/ski over a little three inch trench, they probably ought to head back to ski school. Sounds to me like the administration at welch is either intimidated by capable skiers/riders, or has decided to pander to a population of skiers that have no intention of progressing beyond a lower intermediate capability but still want to feel like they are accomplished. Either way it is intensely off-putting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedzilla Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I'm not sure how they could even enforce this. All modern equipment is designed to carve turns. At what point does your carving become "extremely aggressive"? They aren't banning any certain type of equipment, just a technique. It's still kosher to ski backwards off a jump and land on a steel rail, but if you are turning to fast.....you are banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolson Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 <TABLE class=tborder id=post191614 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=4 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"><TABLE cellSpacing=4 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2></TD><TD noWrap>jolson <SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_191614", true); </SCRIPT> Skidder </TD><TD width="100%"> </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Duluth Minnesota Posts: 37 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- / user info --></TD></TR><TR><TD class=alt1 id=td_post_191614><!-- message, attachments, sig --><!-- icon and title -->uh - oh........ <HR style="COLOR: #3399ff" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->This does not bode well as it would seem to set a precedent....any other hills anywhere that have taken this stance. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Sounds to me like the administration at welch is either intimidated by capable skiers/riders, or has decided to pander to a population of skiers that have no intention of progressing beyond a lower intermediate capability but still want to feel like they are accomplished. Sounds like Okemo... This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. if my 7-year old son can ski down Gondolier after a half day of ECES destruction and not fall over a single rut, The average skier at this mountain must be on 65 waist snowblades and permanently in "pizza - no french fries" mode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebu Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I love pizza and french fries! Man am I hungry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 This is the America we live in.Sad statement of the times and social climate imo.Might be a 'free' country as long as you're not too different,passionate or just plain having too much fun.Otherwise you could get sued.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algunderfoot Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Sent them a nasty gram, and it feels good too! I think we all should. I do appreciate the fact that they let us know ahead of time, one less hill to visit, spend any money at. Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebu Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Put dog crap in a paper bag and leave it in flames at their doorstep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Put dog crap in a paper bag and leave it in flames at their doorstep. My friends and I had an idea for a web-based company who specialized in delivering such delicacies. We were going to call it: www.sh*tbasket.com Maybe we should revisit this idea; it looks like BOL could keep us in business with this cause! On a serious note, I agree this is completely assinine. I'm interested to see how they try to enforce it, as "aggressive" carving is left to some subjectiveness. Its just like everything else in this world: on person has to ruin it for everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wun Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 i can't follow the official statement. they are going to ban aggressive carving because it does damage to the mountain, but they say that ninety nine percent of people with carving gear don't cause said damage. sounds contradictory, no? ..unless they mean that you're not allowed to carve with non specialized gear. i am running on no sleep though, so maybe i'm missing a word somewhere or interpreting emphases in wrong places... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekempmeister Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I like the 99% comment. They have obviously done the homework. It would appear that at least a control of 100 carvers/hardbooters were observed. One of the 100 made deep trenches (ergo 1%) and for that the other 99 are to be banished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queequeg Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I'm interested to see how they try to enforce it, as "aggressive" carving is left to some subjectiveness. I have a feeling the determining criteria for what falls under the category of "aggressive" would be some measurement of just how how far the patrollers balls regress up into their abdomen while trying to chase down down the offending carvers and pull their passes. Sounds like Okemo... I'm getting mixed signals from the people at okemo. I really think it really has to do with what patrollers you run into. At one point I was carving around the flats to bleed speed on the way to the lift (probably going a bit faster than I should have been in the designated slow zone) and a few ski patrollers gave me some props on my carving .... but later on in the day some guy whom I could only assume to be an off duty patroller or instructor seemed to be giving me some garbage about the speed he saw me moving at from the lift (and I don't really ride all that fast compared a lot of the better carvers I've seen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allee Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I do appreciate the fact that they let us know ahead of time, one less hill to visit, spend any money at. Al My sentiments exactly. Someone should show them the pics of any given day at SES - it would probably make their eyes pop out and their brains go splodey. Thst's trench damage right thur - not the couple of tracks that you pussies are whining about ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Karvlow Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Maybe they can ban straight-line skiers too.... then they can live happy ever after in chapter 11 :eplus2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 you guys, the place is in MN, I mean MN is the heart of the ski industry. the rest of the industry cares about them as much as them as these guys http://obergatlinburg.com/wintinfo.htm The actual problem was that it was seniors lutefisk day and if you've seen a senior ski after filling up on lutefisk, prune juice and apparently trench you'd know it's not a good scene. it was really a closed deal when AARP stepped in to "mediate" on behalf of the seniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Yellow Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Bob.... why you gotta pick on Ober? Hell... little ol' App loves us... Photo of the day...look at March 9th.... http://www.appskimtn.com/mediacenter.php?item=83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 So if you see a patroller on your trail, just stop carving. Slide on by or wait for them to ski down out of view. If you get approached while not carving (in liftline, standing around, etc), say "that wasn't me. prove it." If you get caught in the act, and are asked to cut it out, play nice and kill them with kindness until they leave. Then resume. If you get caught in the act by someone clearly agitated enough to pull your ticket, carve a big gouge into their skis. You're going home anyway, may as well piss them off. I don't know that mountain at all, but at my mountain most of the good carving trails are black diamonds. I personally could live with being able to only carve on black diamonds. I don't know how they could possibly justify banning expert level activities on expert terrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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