daveo

Hmm... I'm buying one soon but getting it shipped to Japan and picking it up when I get back next year. 159/160 for 90k JPY Or Next year's 166 for 170k JPY Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Nice idea. If I hadn't just bought a set of moonflex I'd do this. Hell, I'll do it anyway.

Low bandwidth... *shudders*

In contrast it is like everyone here is trying to carve. Which nightmare-ish mountain are you at?

All I can say is give it a demo. I think you'll be surprised as I was.

In fact it was quite stiff. Much stiffer than my Kessler. So smooth though. No ice, but very bumpy. It just sliced through it, where my Kessler was getting flappy nose syndrome.

Today I was on an sg full carve 170. I'm buying one. This thing was amazing. Short board with big scr. What a recipe for fun.

I like this way of thinking. That's why I'm going to get back into softboot carving next season.

Lee won. This is not a photo finish camera. It is a broadcast camera and it is not perfectly aligned for this sort of analysis.

I love my Coilers and Donek, too, but nothing compares to my Kessler.

I want a refund.

It's not uncommon for athletes to compete in summer and winter games. I know a few track guys and girls (olympians) who have gone to bobsleigh and alternate between the two etc.

What do you think of the vistflex. Just in general?

Oh nice! Do you have any thoughts on it. Could you compare it to say allflex or apex?

Oh nice. I'm at Happo, Nagano also.

Can you shoot me some specs? Just curious..

Yeah we are never getting our hands on those. So sad but it will inspire engineers and builders to start creating. I'm particularly interested in vistflex. Seem to use composite material in places where the metal fatigues on the Allflex.

The full carve 170 is literally the most popular carving board here in Japan. I'm personally biased towards boards with ptex topsheets and metal inlays hence why I went for the Kessler 168 instead of the SG 170 full carve or full race. A lot of people love the SG 170 for carving. A few may chime in to attest to that. Maybe check out the sg full race 170. Metal version of the full carve. It's also the free carve intended board. You can get them with allflex vist UPM and 4x4 inserts. I think you need to preorder for the AllFlex ones though. They don't come standard for umm political reasons.

Vist is way cheaper than the Kessler plate and almost the exact same, right? Ivan at www.carver.si is a good resource for this kind of gear. Well he was for me, anyway. Have you considered an SG Full Carve or Full Race 170? Or perhaps checked out a Kessler 168, like mine? They're the free carve models (as opposed to the other length alpine boards which are race oriented). Maybe check the Apex or Oxess site? Oxess has a sale section also, by the way. About half price.

I can't give very good input regarding the 171 but I remember thinking I was bending it in half. I Iuse a Kessler 168 as my every day board. With an Apex Race V2 plate on it. It can turn short or turn long and is a pretty easy to ride sweet board. It's like a cadillac and ferrari in one! Makes me look/feel a lot better than I am, that's for sure. To me, this is the perfect set up. Personally I'd never ride without the plate and it doesn't give me any sort of trouble like manoeuvring on cat tracks or low speed issues. The first time I used a plate I was sold and vowed never to go back to life without one. I know everyone doesn't share that same opinion as me. The amount of bumps and ruts the plate absorbs is nothing short of incredible. Perhaps I'm just spoilt. I might try a custom oxess 164 with an allflex plate at some point in the future as something more aggressive. In saying that, I ride my powder board (Donek Nomad 164 narrow 21.5 waist) with no plate as that's the ideal powder setup for me anyway. Great for trees, drops, chutes. At 45/35ish angles.

That camera is a broadcast camera. It is not the photo finish camera and aligned properly with the line...

171 Kessler is a softer gs board made for younger / lighter riders. You'll likely bend that as much if not more.

Maybe they are just empty housings to create discussion and confusion on random internet forums...

Agree

Don't think it is who crosses the line first. It is who passes the sensor first. Otherwise they wouldn't all try to run their hand down through the sensor they would stretch out directly in front of them since that would give the longest lever and fastest time. You know, pythagoras and all. All athletes are aware of it, it has been done like that for years, he missed the sensor and I'm sure his training will now account for this error and he won't (at least less likely) make this mistake again.