BobD Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Looks like a soft shell ski boot for alpine snowboarding. Deelux supermoto BobD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Walters Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 It looks like a softboot/hardboot hybrid. Maybe perfect for those wanting some softies for putting around but not willing to give up plates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 That looks pretty interesting for hardbooters wanting more flex, or softbooters wanting more support. Neither of which describes me, but still... I wonder if it catches on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Dasai Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 In an ideal snowboarding world, something like this would be the standard, typical, normal, everyday, usual, regular snowboard boot for the masses. It could come in a bunch of different models, ranging from an Indy-like stiff hard boot, to a flexy freestyle model, and all would use the same boot/binding interface. There'd be no big gap between "hard" and "soft" boots. Instead the range of models would be equally spaced along the stiffness spectrum. No "hard-booters", no "soft-booters", just one world of snowboarding love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuffy Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Couldn't agree more on that. It'd make the continuum of alpine boards to freestyle boards a lot smoother, too. So everybody'd be on bails? I like that idea...although you could probably use straps on a boot like that... That would make it really easy for people to move towards carving, as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terekhov Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 as I wondered about this boot (sold on ebay.de some last week), it is from 01 or 02 season, dead end model, have been produced in very little quantity and terminated due to lack of interest. looks like last deeluxe' try to innovate in hardboot niche market. seems VERY pity to me, as I like an idea very much too - I like to go backcountry in hardboots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrokel Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Baka Dasai: No "hard-booters", no "soft-booters", just one world of snowboarding love. It would be great except then you'd have the step-in's vs. the standard bail's arguement . :) It's seems that there were a couple of tries into that market by a few manufacturers including K2 with their Clicker interface. It would be great to see some revolutionary development but seeing that the soft boot market is essentially very conservative (and fashion oriented by the way) I think it would be a big deal if you could actually change the inertia that the "standard" snowboard interface has (just look at what happened to step-ins, they just weren't "cool" for the more "progressive" rider). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 just look at what happened to step-ins, they just weren't "cool" for the more "progressive" rider Or maybe they just didn't work. An old friend of mine was an engineer at Burton, working in the boot department. One day, a year or two after Burton introduced their SI system, I saw him at Sugarloaf, and he was using good ol' strap bindings. Burton's hype back then was how they didn't want to roll out their SI system until they got it right. So I had been thinking it must be pretty good, and I was surprised to see my friend in "old-tech" straps. I asked him why he wasn't using step-ins. He shook his head and simply said "they just suck. There's no comparison." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrokel Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 yeah the Burton step-ins tried to do something (not sure what it was... be exactly like a strap system?) and what ever it was it didn't seem to work very well. My own personal experience with Clickers was great (I wanted them for soft boot carving) but I wanted more variety for boots available so had to go to straps (Catek Freerides) to get the choice of boot I wanted. I've heard that people had problems with that and other systems as well but I think it was because the development cycle was sort of aborted before the baby could grow up and not because of any inherent dificulties with the concept. Of course, this is only my opinion... (this IS another one of those annual debates here in Bomber that is always entertaining to talk about :) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 My own personal experience with Clickers was great (I wanted them for soft boot carving) but I wanted more variety for boots available so had to go to straps Yep, I too have fond memories of K2 Clickers (the highback version). It's just that they stopped making the one compatible boot model that fit me. That's OK, I got started hardbooting soon after ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipstar Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 there was some kastinger like this 10 years ago; not exactly a new idea, but not easy to wander around in (like a softie) when in the bar, nor as performance as a hardboot...so not so surprised it didn't work... but as a powder boot? Would be pretty nice I would think...never was so convinced with the clikcers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 This actually looks alot like my "crappy old ski boots" that I used last season... Salomon Verse 4s...they worked pretty well on the Axis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willywhit Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Or maybe they just didn't work. An old friend of mine was an engineer at Burton, working in the boot department. One day, a year or two after Burton introduced their SI system, I saw him at Sugarloaf, and he was using good ol' strap bindings. Burton's hype back then was how they didn't want to roll out their SI system until they got it right. So I had been thinking it must be pretty good, and I was surprised to see my friend in "old-tech" straps. I asked him why he wasn't using step-ins. He shook his head and simply said "they just suck. There's no comparison." I'm liking the look of the new BOA system with the cable in the lace up. Flow seems to be the softie binding of choice. I haven't had a softie set up in years but I think I'm gonna pick up a STIFF softie setup and learn how to ride fakie again. Any suggestions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy T. Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hey Willywhit, I use Vans boots with the BOA system for my soft setup and I like them alot. I could never seem to get me laces tight enough before I got those. Now I can just twist the dial anytime I need to. As for the bindings I've been using Switch for several years and like those too but I'm also a sucker for the SI's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 dem boots is UGLAY! whats with the "airfoils" on the toes? I like the idea, actually...would probably even try them... remind me of Koflach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrokel Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 C'mon Dsub! They're for SPEEEEED!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 heh...well, theyd have to be set at an angle that puts them in line with airflow when riding then, no? :) or...well...if youre skiing I guess it would work designers that put frivolous crap on footwear should be spoken to harshly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy S. Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 designers that put frivolous crap on footwear should be spoken to harshly Like that swoosh on your sneakers? Would you buy the same sneaks w/out it? Silly post. Besides, they probably are some sort of reinforcing thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skatha Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hey, the swoosh make the shoes faster.... And red Keds were faster than the blue ones when I was a kid, too!!! Until I convinced my sister to switch colors with me, then I found out longer legs were faster.... Face it, we'd be living in a Walmart world without our brand names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Like that swoosh on your sneakers? Would you buy the same sneaks w/out it? Silly post. Besides, they probably are some sort of reinforcing thing. sorry homey, but I dont wear nike for ethical reasons. plus...their plain shoes look ok...the swoosh is a logo its when they put vents, and airfoils and **** that it starts getting stupid. take a walk through a Ross or Marshalls and see all the reject shoes...gotta wonder how those designs were approved anyway, yes, silly post. sorry rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleaman Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I dont know if it just me but looking at Bootsy Collin's boots make me want a pair with flames shooting out of the exhaust pipes attached to my boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy S. Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 sorry homey, but I dont wear nike for ethical reasons. :lol: WTF? If I were Rick, I'd you for that one. Ethical reasons. That's a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 DC shoes is exactly the same reason, they have all those plastic shiny dongly things like Nike gear has, kinda reminds me of what some of the ski companies do with their topsheets with all the stupid slogans and useless plastic things that break off if you actually ski on them. Kind of reminds me of the way Intel markets the Centrino like there is no alternative to it when all it is a 915 E chipset with intel 802.11b/g WiFi and in general how many PC manufacturers love to put those annoying stickers all over everything. as far as the wal-mart world goes the big brand names are what are gonna get us there, the retail giants basically make it impossible for smaller retailers to compete and small manfacturers that actually have factories in countries with labor laws as well. anyway I should probably say something on topic so here it is, those boots would rock for the pow days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 :lol: WTF? If I were Rick, I'd you for that one. Ethical reasons. That's a good one. no no...I wasnt calling you rick. I was apologizing to him for my silly post! :) you can flame me too, though as for nike...its pretty well known that they emply some low-level tactics in their manufacturing process, so I choose not to support them youre the one that brought them into this, though, not me all I was saying was I hate stupid "flair" on functional items. its just plain dumb...like bob says with DC (although they do have some "standard" shoes and snowboard boots)...things just get uglier and uglier and people buy right into it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrokel Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Originally Posted by bobdea those boots would rock for the pow days. But then the flames would melt the snow!... oh! you meant the Supermoto's... nevermind... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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