Pythmere Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) . Edited February 21, 2020 by Pythmere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburk Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 My 2 cents: board and boots are great choices, but go with the toe lever variant. UPZ 27 would (but barely) work with the M size Intec stepin version, but if you can touch your toes (or at least the top of your foot), you should be able to easily clip into the toe lever bindings standing up with a few minutes’ practice. Toe lever style (F2 Race Ti) mean you don’t have to buy and install Intel heels, and never have to worry about a heel cable breaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) My opinionated 2 cents: Bindings: Definitely go F2 Race Titanium. Don't forget to get an extra lift kit as they only come with 1. Agree with @jburk regarding Intec. I've only used Intec for a season, but I feel they're more hassle than they're worth. Boots: I've had Deeluxe, UPZ and Mountain Slope boots. Might be worth measuring up your feet and seeing what's suitable. I've got measurements and photos of my feet in and out of boot shells if that helps. If you have low volume, narrow feet and heels, you'll be better suited to Mountain Slope .951 boots instead of UPZ, so that's what I'd recommend looking into. To me, some relative proportions: Heel: Deeluxe > UPZ > Mountain Slope Forefoot: UPZ > Mountain Slope > Deeluxe Volume: Deeluxe > UPZ > Mountain Slope Board: Never ridden a Thirst. I'd wait a little and let hype settle before purchasing. I think a Kessler The Alpine 168 would be a more reliable starting point. Edited January 16, 2019 by daveo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauleleven Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) My 2 cents on upz boots, with smaller asian feet feet are both 260, bought 260 liner, 287-299 shell rc12 and instantly had to sell them because too much toe room and ankle was just not fitting right. 260mm feet in the 287-299 shell had 3 fingers in the back during shell fit. I bought size 245 RCR and they fit like a dream, given my feet don't have a high arch. If your foot has a high arch, I'd recommend downsizing from 276 to 270, if not go to 265 or even 260(if you want it aggressive). 2 hours ago, daveo said: Definitely go F2 Race Titanium. Don't forget to get an extra lift kit as they only come with 1. Agree with buddy Daveo here, get extra lift kit. Also bail is fine, you're young, you can bend over and do the bail. 2 hours ago, daveo said: I think a Kessler The Alpine 168 would be a more reliable starting point. Stop repping the K168, we know it's your magic bullet NA made boards are a great place to start, or an older one on the forum here, once you got about 10-15 days and maybe tried a few boards you can shell out the money for something like a K168, but then you're in IT....... If you have the cash, we can't say anything Also be prepared to have a large arsenal of boards in a few years time, hardboots do that to people......... 2 hours ago, daveo said: My opinionated 2 cents: HI DAVEO Edited January 16, 2019 by pauleleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 6 hours ago, pauleleven said: My 2 cents on upz boots, with smaller asian feet feet are both 260, bought 260 liner, 287-299 shell rc12 and instantly had to sell them because too much toe room and ankle was just not fitting right. 260mm feet in the 287-299 shell had 3 fingers in the back during shell fit. I bought size 245 RCR and they fit like a dream, given my feet don't have a high arch. If your foot has a high arch, I'd recommend downsizing from 276 to 270, if not go to 265 or even 260(if you want it aggressive). Agree with buddy Daveo here, get extra lift kit. Also bail is fine, you're young, you can bend over and do the bail. Stop repping the K168, we know it's your magic bullet NA made boards are a great place to start, or an older one on the forum here, once you got about 10-15 days and maybe tried a few boards you can shell out the money for something like a K168, but then you're in IT....... If you have the cash, we can't say anything Also be prepared to have a large arsenal of boards in a few years time, hardboots do that to people......... HI DAVEO The Man, The Myth, The Legend @pauleleven!!! How are things mate?! You got me. I'm a K168 fanboy, but I'm not the only one! But maybe I was the first one When someone says they just started snowboarding so they're gonna buy a Thirst, F2 bindings and RC12 boots I just assume that it is a financial priority and hey why not just do it properly the first time @Pythmere Just don't rush it. Try to get it as right as possible from the get go, that's why I reckon look into the Mountain Slope boots. @Jack M is selling his new K168- would probably only be slightly more expensive than a brand new Thirst, but you can rest easy at night knowing it's the board of kings and you'll keep it until the end of time. No hype, no nonsense, just magic. I mean, if the plate führer rides one, it must be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Welcome! +1 on getting Regular Binding instead of step-in. Keep it simple initially. SLC got lots of carvers. Take advantage of the ride board and meet up with the local riders. We are a small but I often find generous community. I/we are also gear hoarders so demo is def possible. Getting the boots to fit properly is #1. 2nd part is finding a board with the right flex for your weight. IMHO: If I were to do it again: I would start with something softer to getting used to what decamber/initiated the turn feel like. As you progress; the world is your oyster and go crazy. Tech article on selecting board: http://alpinesnowboarder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/How-to-Buy-an-Alpine-Snowboard.pdf Typically quivers start with 3 boards: Start with something in 175 length -- good "all around" carver. Then SL something in 160 Then GS something in 185 Then it goes crazy from there.... Have fun and keep us updated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, pow4ever said: Getting the boots to fit properly is #1. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburk Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 I’ll chime in here as a resident Thirst fan: if I was to pick a board from any manufacturer to spend my first season on, it would be the Superconductor. The biggest difference between Thirsts and other boards is that due to the WARP asym core, there’s no need for front to back weight shifts during the turn, so there’s less to work on as you sort out your technique. You ride centred and stay there. It’s this same lack of front to back shift that some riders find off putting when riding one of Marks boards for the first time. The K168 is a very highly regarded board by everyone who’s ridden one (as far as I know, I’ve never heard a single even slightly negative comment about one), but for a rider with no established technique and nothing to unlearn the Thirst might be better suited. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythmere Posted January 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) On 1/16/2019 at 7:35 AM, pow4ever said: Thanks @pow4ever. @digger jr On 1/16/2019 at 7:26 AM, daveo said: , Edited February 21, 2020 by Pythmere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 @Pythmere. Don't want to bombard too hard here, so I'll PM that stuff along with some more info regarding sizing and some photos and whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Get your boots and bindings sorted first. You can mess round with set up on your current board. Depending on your size (?) you may be able to find 2 really nice used boards for the price of a new SuperC (3 for a K168) that you can ride, compare and form a baseline of what woks for you. As you are riding most days the variety will be a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythmere Posted January 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 Just waiting for the bindings now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburk Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 Nice score on the board! Is that a 168? Nothing like starting out right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythmere Posted January 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jburk said: Nice score on the board! Is that a 168? Nothing like starting out right. It is a 180 actually, got a really good deal on it. I imagine its going to be a little hard to tame at first haha Mark said the SC should come in the latter part of February. Edited January 26, 2019 by Pythmere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburk Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 Drive fast. Take chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger jr Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) So what is a Kessler 180? Edited January 26, 2019 by digger jr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythmere Posted January 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, digger jr said: So what is a Kessler 180? http://www.kessler-swiss.com/en-US/products/snowboard/theAlpine Its a 180cm long version of Kesslers Alpine board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburk Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 It’s the snowboard equivalent of 25 year old single malt scotch. Colour me highly impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, jburk said: It’s the snowboard equivalent of 25 year old single malt scotch. Colour me highly impressed. Okay wait here, I'll just go get my crayons. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythmere Posted January 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) . Edited February 21, 2020 by Pythmere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) http://alpinesnowboarder.com/the-norm-part-i/ This article looks like a good next step. And maybe SnowyTom's video with over 400,000 views. Edited January 29, 2019 by SunSurfer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythmere Posted January 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, SunSurfer said: http://alpinesnowboarder.com/the-norm-part-i/ This article looks like a good next step. And maybe SnowyTom's video with over 400,000 views. Sweet, that article is super helpful. I will go ahead and try to do the norm tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Looking good. First day on hardboots on a Kessler with 12-19m scr. Second season snowboarding? I think you're doing better than basically everyone on this forum at the same stage. Plus you're already doing better than me at my best haha. Keep at it! Edited January 29, 2019 by daveo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emdee406 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 @Pythmere looking good! Let’s get out and ride soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 On 1/16/2019 at 10:58 AM, jburk said: there’s no need for front to back weight shifts during the turn, so there’s less to work on as you sort out your technique. You ride centred and stay there. It’s this same lack of front to back shift that some riders find off putting when riding one of Marks boards for the first time. Wow, that’s a great description of how my Kesslers works. Really though, this should be true with most modern high end boards. Haven’t been on a thirst so not sure if I’m missing something special. Sometimes I read people’s descriptions of riding one and it’s exactly how I described riding a Kessler or coiler NSR coming from old stuff like sims burners or something and makes me wonder what that guy was on before the thirst? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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