big canuck Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Any feedback from those that have tried them? I'm Goiing to use them with TD2's, do I need a suspension kit too or is that overkill? Mounting to a 162 Kessler. Any input appreciated. Mounting tips? Never seen a pair, but I got some comin. Thanks. K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Any feedback from those that have tried them? I'm Goiing to use them with TD2's, do I need a suspension kit too or is that overkill? Mounting to a 162 Kessler. Any input appreciated. Mounting tips? Never seen a pair, but I got some comin. Thanks.K it works alright, not nearly as dramatic as the hangl. if you want a plate and you're gonna drop that type of cash I'd go with a hangl or VIST if I did it over again I'd suggest not using bombers at all, phiokka machos felt the best for me with all the plates. F2 is what the overwhelming majority of people I have seen with these plates ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guido591 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 The SFlex are, in my experience, significantly more versatile with respect to free carving, etc than are the Hangl or Vist plates, which are generally restricted to a race only application. Make certain that you have a minimum of five x two insert rows to mount the SFlex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 And note that they will shorten you max available stance on board. For me this was problem cause i could not get wide enough stance with them in some boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihi Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Hello! Does anybody know the weight (2 pieces) and dimensions of F2 S-FLEX plate! Also weight of some other plates as HANGL, VIST, GERAB,.... would be intrested. Thanks! Mihi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Hello!Does anybody know the weight (2 pieces) and dimensions of F2 S-FLEX plate! Also weight of some other plates as HANGL, VIST, GERAB,.... would be intrested. Thanks! Mihi not sure, the weight of the sflex is probably less than just the top plate on a hangl though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 The SFlex are, in my experience, significantly more versatile with respect to free carving, etc than are the Hangl or Vist plates, which are generally restricted to a race only application. Why? If it works for racing it will work for freecarving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Why? If it works for racing it will work for freecarving. Yes, but... Hangl plates are heavy. When I tried a Kessler w/ Hangl, my legs got fired and my left ankle sore from riding the chair, and it felt like it took more energy to ride too. If I were riding 2 hrs / day it might not be a problem, but for a full day's freecarving, my experience is overall better with something not so heavy. I've discussed plates with Bruce V a few times too, and he cautioned me that a plate might present additional injury risk in a crash... something I take to heart since I need to reduce the frequency of my carving-releated injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 the weight is a valid concern. I wonder if physical conditioning could offset it enough for full-day use. I believe there are racer-types and expert freecarvers using them for all-day freecarving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Hello!Does anybody know the weight (2 pieces) and dimensions of F2 S-FLEX plate! Also weight of some other plates as HANGL, VIST, GERAB,.... would be intrested. Thanks! Mihi Just measured weight, it is 453gram each. This is last year model, anyway. So pair weights less than half of Vist (2200 grams), which is lighter than Hangl according my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihi Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Thanks Pokkis! Mihi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 the weight is a valid concern. I wonder if physical conditioning could offset it enough for full-day use. I believe there are racer-types and expert freecarvers using them for all-day freecarving. I suspect that conditioning could offset it for me personally, but achieving that level of conditioning would require a career change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihi Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Pokkis, can you please measure also B,W and H! Thanks! Mihi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Pokkis, can you please measure also B,W and H!Thanks! Mihi Here you go: http://www.wslc.co.jp/snow/f2/07_08/img/products/spare_parts/F2_S-FLEX_11_07.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 I am interested by S-Flex for freecarving but need more information to know if it worth it. How the S-flex exactly works to isolate the rider from the board (nothing on F2 website)? What are the differences with other plate systems ? Thank you Silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fin Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Silver, Have not seen an F-Flex for a while but if it is still the same one I have seen it is a basic concept. The S-Flex isolates the rider from the board much like a rubber engine mount in a car. The simple way to envision it is there are two rigid pieces that have a piece of rubber bonded between them. You mount one side to the board the other to the binding. Now you have no "solid" connection to the board as the forces have to travel through the rubber piece. What are the differences with other plate systems ? Just about everything is different. The S-flex has very little in common with the current plate systems coming out. The biggest difference is the S-flex still allows the movement of each foot independent of each other as apposed to the new plate systems that completely remove the movement of the two bindings relative to each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Thank you fin! Keeping the possibility to "pedal" and play with the board torsional flex may be wrong for racing but is it the case for freecarving? And what is the difference between S-Flex and Sidewinders TD3 ? Should they be the same, it might be interesting for someone who want to benefit from such an isolating solution while chosing any bindings... Silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobD Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Thank you fin!Keeping the possibility to "pedal" and play with the board torsional flex may be wrong for racing but is it the case for freecarving? Silver This will go one of two ways. Either no one will reply, or ............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 This will go one of two ways. Either no one will reply, or ...............my money is on 'other' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Thank you fin!Keeping the possibility to "pedal" and play with the board torsional flex may be wrong for racing but is it the case for freecarving? And what is the difference between S-Flex and Sidewinders TD3 ? Should they be the same, it might be interesting for someone who want to benefit from such an isolating solution while chosing any bindings... Silver ohhh boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Since those plates haven't become a sales hit I think you should stay away from it. Otherwise all carvers would have bought this product if it had become a major successor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I think one issue was price tag, plus some stance limits they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 "Movement relative to" are the key ingredients in a Plate, sidewinders and the S-Flex. The plate allows movement fore and aft ,the side winders almost but because you mount the bindings to your choosing 30 40 55 degrees whatever, you are not exactly in line with the movement of the travel of the board so the sensation is not exactly the same (you adapt to it) i think the S-Flex is just kind of soft in all directions so it's more of a cushion. If you are looking for a plate to peddle keep looking because so far the concensus seen to be a plate should be stiff i think that may change over time but for now it's firm. Stay tuned a plate with a hinged center is on the way i'll post when pictures become available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroshmero Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Does the Hangl plate add stiffness to the board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Does the Hangl plate add stiffness to the board? Yes, and No. Several different ways to use a Hangl plate. Technically Yes. It creates (at minimum) at stiffer section directly below the plate. No, it allows the board to flex much like it does without the Hangl. To further add to the mix, modify the Hangl and use a Tinkler plate. Now the flex of the Tinkler plate and the movement of the Hangl change the dynamics. Yes and No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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