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Might be worth while to look into casting them using silicone molds.

http://www.theengineerguy.com/OOMOO-25.html 

There are some good urethane plastics out there too which might be good candidates to fill the molds with.

https://www.smooth-on.com/products/epoxacast-655-101-hardener/

How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go is the question you need to ask yourself.

 

Has anyone tried contacting F2 directly to see if the sell replacement parts?  Shooting them emails now to see what comes back....

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Had a response from the North American distributor which is Mordiff Distribution.

http://mordiff-distribution.com/?page_id=30

 

The response is:

"Unfortunately no, I do not have availability for any parts for heels.  You can order new heels at

www.yyzcanuck.com in Canada or

www.donek.com in the US"

 

Waiting to hear back from F2 International.

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45 minutes ago, *Ace* said:

Had a response from the North American distributor which is Mordiff Distribution.

http://mordiff-distribution.com/?page_id=30

 

The response is:

"Unfortunately no, I do not have availability for any parts for heels.  You can order new heels at

www.yyzcanuck.com in Canada or

www.donek.com in the US"

 

Waiting to hear back from F2 International.

Interesting - their response makes sense to me: no money in selling these parts I imagine.

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A friend had some custom motor mounts cast in aluminum for a weird project car.  He supplied them with the pattern made of plywood and modeling clay, they made a sand-mold from that and cast the parts.  He needed to drill holes and such, but said it was surprisingly low cost.  Something like $40 for the two pieces, which he then needed to drill to finish.  You could use original Bomber or F2 arms for the pattern.  

Maybe this is an option?  The machining afterwards needs to be pretty high quality, probably a bit above what could be done by the average person with a drill press.  

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Probably easiest to machine them from stock from the get-go instead of dealing with casting. Just the finishing operations from casting would cost more than the entire machining operation.  Another advantage of machining is more freedom of materials.

For small parts the cost would be low for a reasonable batch. 

 

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13 minutes ago, erazz said:

Probably easiest to machine them from stock from the get-go instead of dealing with casting. Just the finishing operations from casting would cost more than the entire machining operation.  Another advantage of machining is more freedom of materials.

For small parts the cost would be low for a reasonable batch. 

 

I looked into machining. Pretty expensive (for a one-off) i’m not looking to do a big batch. Right now the 3d printed options seem best.

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So with all the engineers on here, nobody has tried to 3d print these in nylon or petg yet?  I sold my pair to someone that needed parts, but it couldn't take more than an hour to model one and another couple to print.  Actually Tom likes the polycarbonate as the strongest material right now:

 

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Do you have a solid model?  In general the reason printed parts are not strong enough is because people do not redesign them to be strong enough.  If you copy the existing design, it will most likely fail, but if you design the part with appropriate dimensions for a 3d printed part, it might work.  Unfortunately, you'll need a model of the entire mechanism to see how mods affect the function within the space available.

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12 hours ago, Donek said:

Do you have a solid model?  In general the reason printed parts are not strong enough is because people do not redesign them to be strong enough.  If you copy the existing design, it will most likely fail, but if you design the part with appropriate dimensions for a 3d printed part, it might work.  Unfortunately, you'll need a model of the entire mechanism to see how mods affect the function within the space available.

Not yet. This is something I don’t know a lot about and have (zero) experience with but would like to learn. I have a bunch of other projects going on between work and other hobbies at the moment, but I’m interested in using this as an opportunity to learn (hopefully in the coming months).

i figure if I can get one printed out of metal with the process I posted earlier that would (hopefully) be sufficient. Being able to make spares that aren’t any stronger than the original part would also be good, if not nearly as great.

12 hours ago, Beckmann AG said:

Did you already post photos somewhere of the broken pieces? That would probably push the parts geeks over the edge of re-design bliss.

Also, given the relatively low physical volume of each part, investment casting out of brass alloy might be cost effective for a small run. 

 

The central arm/lever snapped on the long side which seems pretty predictable. IIRC : same place all the others did. 

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Just noticed that a library that I go to with my son has a 3d scanner. When my season is looking like it's officially over I'm going to take the parts over there and try and get some accurate scans. That should be able to produce a good CAD drawing and hopefully something I can take to a highly competent machine shop our industrial building leases space to.

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Lost wax process may be the safest if using sand. Less chance of  having your mold explode if you were to use a wax model burried in the sand rather than having wet sand and a void with a model of your intended part. Full safety gear  goggles gloves face shield etc. Not trying to scare you but molten metal and sand molds can pack a punch. Don't ask me how i know !

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So I contacted F2 via Facebook and they responded with a message to email someone in the company.  I emailed the fellow and told him my issue and he said they only sell kits to replace the cables and handles and not the internal parts.  So unless Bomber comes back and continues to offer the replacement parts there is no way to get replacements.

Lost PLA(3D printed plastic) casting is a thing and may be worth while investigating once we have some scans and drawings complete.

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1 hour ago, *Ace* said:

So I contacted F2 via Facebook and they responded with a message to email someone in the company.  I emailed the fellow and told him my issue and he said they only sell kits to replace the cables and handles and not the internal parts.  So unless Bomber comes back and continues to offer the replacement parts there is no way to get replacements.

Lost PLA(3D printed plastic) casting is a thing and may be worth while investigating once we have some scans and drawings complete.

That makes sense. I'm honestly pretty surprised they even sell the cables ... I doubt there's much money in it. 

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Oook.... Ere ya goo.

Caveat here... There are some finicky parts in this model.  I still need to polish it.  Don't expect to plop these files in a 3D printer and get a functional heel. However, this should be a good base to create parts and to design an improved version. (which I intend to do... someday...)

 

The zip file includes a Parasolid assembly to make importing into other CAD packages easier.

Fintec_Heel Exploded.JPG

 

 

Fintec Heel.zip

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1 hour ago, erazz said:

Oook.... Ere ya goo.

Caveat here... There are some finicky parts in this model.  I still need to polish it.  Don't expect to plop these files in a 3D printer and get a functional heel. However, this should be a good base to create parts and to design an improved version. (which I intend to do... someday...)

 

The zip file includes a Parasolid assembly to make importing into other CAD packages easier.

Fintec_Heel Exploded.JPG

 

 

Fintec Heel.zip

DUDE!! You are THE MAN!!!!! I owe you some beers!

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