SteveInOregon Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Steve, technically any softbooter who isn't spending a lot of time in powder or more than half of their day in the halfpipe should be on a BX board. Hummm gotcha Jack, could a BX board be considered a kind of All Mountain board then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 A BX board IS what an all-mountain board SHOULD be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Boris, I don't entirely agree. To get a production BX board with the float I'd expect from an all mountain softie ride, I'd end up with a 12m radius. In my opinion this is way too big for the "playful" behavior that I found desirable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photodad2001 Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Hummm gotcha Jack, could a BX board be considered a kind of All Mountain board then ? Absolutely. I've riden nothing but my Madd BX since I got it and have had it in pow, hardpack, slush, ice, corn... did well above average on all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Boris, I don't entirely agree. To get a production BX board with the float I'd expect from an all mountain softie ride, I'd end up with a 12m radius. In my opinion this is way too big for the "playful" behavior that I found desirable. Playfulness can come from a lot of things, flex, taper, rebound, ability to freely switch between carving and skidding... Float comes from overall surface, width to length ratio, surface distribution (taper, offset or swally), nose shape (rocker), etc. Modern BXers have plenty of the later 2. However, the correct answer is that you have to try one to believe it. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bora20 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Steve, technically any softbooter who isn't spending a lot of time in powder or more than half of their day in the halfpipe should be on a BX board. Which is why I am trying hardboots:1luvu: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykcuz Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 i would need to try a new board line before a drop a grand on it. that said why didnt you do this last year before i dropped cash on my first brand new alpine board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bora20 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I don't see the alpine boards on here: http://www.clydesnowboards.com/index.html Will they be up soon? And if I buy one in BC, will I save the PST since your web lists Calgary as home base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Steve, technically any softbooter who isn't spending a lot of time in powder or more than half of their day in the halfpipe should be on a BX board.Why would that be Jack? I don't see BX boards as specifically designed to carve with softies on groomers. There's usually only 4 or 5 carved turns on a BX course, and they are drawn out AND banked.They basically seem, to me, to be designed with a long effective edge and large sidecut radius (by softboot standards) in as compact a size as possible to combine good edge hold in those long banks, stability at speed, and manoeuverability in the bumps, jumps, hips, and rollers. For me, 12 - 14m sidecuts are not fun to carve on groomers in softboots. But I'm sure they are great with the levarage of hardboots and can't wait to give it a try next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photodad2001 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Why would that be Jack? I don't see BX boards as specifically designed to carve with softies on groomers. There's usually only 4 or 5 carved turns on a BX course, and they are drawn out AND banked.They basically seem, to me, to be designed with a long effective edge and large sidecut radius (by softboot standards) in as compact a size as possible to combine good edge hold in those long banks, stability at speed, and manoeuverability in the bumps, jumps, hips, and rollers. For me, 12 - 14m sidecuts are not fun to carve on groomers in softboots. But I'm sure they are great with the levarage of hardboots and can't wait to give it a try next season. Not to answer in Jack's place, but the overall construction and design of the BX boards are to hold an edge under more intense forces. They are stiffer, have longer edge contacts, they have more rebound (that's for sure on my Madd BX, that thing is poppy!) and bigger SCR's than the typical freeride board, and are dampend to cut out chatter. Donek made the Razor, but I'd be more interested in trying out their new Sabre after some of the stuff I've heard on here. My Madd only has a 9.2 radius so I may not be speaking for other BX manufactures. Just a side note. My daughters name is Maddie and she said I should put an "ie" at the end of the "Madd" on the tail of my board.:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Not to answer in Jack's place, but the overall construction and design of the BX boards are to hold an edge under more intense forces. They are stiffer, have longer edge contacts, they have more rebound (that's for sure on my Madd BX, that thing is poppy!) and bigger SCR's than the typical freeride board, and are dampend to cut out chatter. Donek made the Razor, but I'd be more interested in trying out their new Sabre after some of the stuff I've heard on here. My Madd only has a 9.2 radius so I may not be speaking for other BX manufactures.Yes, that's pretty much what I meant to say, but better :lol: (I suck at trying to translate my french thoughts to english writings at 1AM).But it seems I was wrong in assuming that most BX boards have larger 12 - 14m sidecuts. Sidecuts in the 9 to 9.5m range with a fairly long effective edge is what I prefer on groomers. I've been riding a shape I designed myself as my main board for the past 10 years. It has a 9.05m sidecut with 144cm effectice edge and 6mm taper. I have it in a couple different flex patterns. I absolutely love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveBomber Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 hmmm, I dont mean to burst anyone bubble, but you gotta admit that price is a little steep for an unknown. Bruces metals are by far the best bang for the buck, well not even that, aside from a kessler id go with bruce first for half the price!! but Priors are about 1200 for custom and Donek 1000, all of those metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUD Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 hmmm, I dont mean to burst anyone bubble, but you gotta admit that price is a little steep for an unknown.Bruces metals are by far the best bang for the buck, well not even that, aside from a kessler id go with bruce first for half the price!! but Priors are about 1200 for custom and Donek 1000, all of those metal. Jason Broz is not an "unknown". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Jason Broz is not an "unknown". thank you, beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekdut Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see that these were made by Broz until now. There's no mention of that earlier in the thread, so there was some reason to be somewhat skeptical. Good to know though, should be a quality product coming from him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveBomber Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 so youve ridden one of his boards? have you ordered on yet? when you list you list His name with the likes of kessler, Coiler, prior, Virus, Donek etc etc.... do people say "who?"=unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUD Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 so youve ridden one of his boards? have you ordered on yet?when you list you list His name with the likes of kessler, Coiler, prior, Virus, Donek etc etc.... do people say "who?"=unknown You win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 so youve ridden one of his boards? have you ordered on yet?when you list you list His name with the likes of kessler, Coiler, prior, Virus, Donek etc etc.... do people say "who?"=unknown christ, you're such a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Why would that be Jack? I don't see BX boards as specifically designed to carve with softies on groomers. There's usually only 4 or 5 carved turns on a BX course, and they are drawn out AND banked.They basically seem, to me, to be designed with a long effective edge and large sidecut radius (by softboot standards) in as compact a size as possible to combine good edge hold in those long banks, stability at speed, and manoeuverability in the bumps, jumps, hips, and rollers. For me, 12 - 14m sidecuts are not fun to carve on groomers in softboots. But I'm sure they are great with the levarage of hardboots and can't wait to give it a try next season. This is my impression. The BX courses and the turns riders make down them on the current BX boards is nothing like the path a carver takes down the slope. The current BX boards have a huge sidecut for freecarving on groomers in softies. You just cannot bend a board in the same way with softboots as hardboots. If you get one with a smaller, roughly 9ish meter (10m if you are a larger rider) sidecut, I bet they are incredible in softies. I will add that I have not tried one of the new big sidecut BX boards and could be wrong. I have ridden a long effective edge for its length (154cm with a 132 effective edge), 8.5 m sidecut softy carver built with full nose and tail decamber, metal and rubber and the thing rips! The Madd BX is nothing like the current crop of BX boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dano Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 I was impressed with the size of oxess' sidecut on Buells post. I hadn't realized BX boards were above the magic 10 meter mark. I assume that's why Jack was saying they should be ridden by all "aspiring" carvers. Nothing feels lamer than a sub 8 meter sidecut jibstick once you get some speed going. If the Victory guy is still lurking could you post a spec chart? I think I could love a big metal 170 BX with 12 meter sidecut for under a grand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUD Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Here they are, I hope he doesn't mind. They are off the pdf he sent me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 I was impressed with the size of oxess' sidecut on Buells post. I hadn't realized BX boards were above the magic 10 meter mark. I assume that's why Jack was saying they should be ridden by all "aspiring" carvers. Nothing feels lamer than a sub 8 meter sidecut jibstick once you get some speed going. If the Victory guy is still lurking could you post a spec chart? I think I could love a big metal 170 BX with 12 meter sidecut for under a grand... Coiler or Donek..And Prior if they still make the Black/Fatjack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveBomber Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Prior just built some new BXs, its not on their website, but I have a pic, I can ask if they will let me post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 They are basically a widened and softened version of FLC. Unless he came up with something completely new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korc Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 I'm actually riding one of the new Prior BX boards. Talking to Dean at Prior prior to purchase, he said these were built like the 2010 WCRM boards. But it has dual side cuts and decambered nose and tail so I guess this makes it very similar to the FLC. Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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