Neil Gendzwill Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 So, the thread about people who ride both setups got me to thunkin'. If you ride both hard and soft, how do you have your softies set up? If you ride exclusively soft, please don't reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFluff Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 I ride my setup slightly duck just a few degrees in both directions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebu Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Usually 7 and 0. Sometimes I'll crank it up to ~15 and 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 back when I rode softies, aggressively forward, 33/24. I had no tolerance for overhang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 From many responses here I get the impression that many riders turn to softboots and just want to do a similar riding as they do on their hardboot setups. And then they are disappointed with the performance ... Why not stay in hardboots? When I am on softboots I have a different focus. I like carving in softies as well, but it´s not my priority on such occasions. And looking at the pros in boardercross events and my personal experience, I don´t think the high angles are the way to go ... For several years now I use 18° -6°. My stance got wider every year the last couple of years. On freeride boards I use 23". On freestyle boards 24". On a boardercross board I might consider slightly higher angles ... maybe 21° 6° ... just an idea ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 From many responses here I get the impression that many riders turn to softboots and just want to do a similar riding as they do on their hardboot setups. And then they are disappointed with the performance ... Why not stay in hardboots? I gave up softies when my equipment finally gave up the ghost in spring of 2008 When I am on softboots I have a different focus. I like carving in softies as well, but it´s not my priority on such occasions. Same here. I just hated overhang, and I didn't have a very wide board, and getting one wasn't a priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtslalom Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Coming from a hard plate background I find I will try to ride my soft deck as if it were a hard deck. I ride around 50 degrees front and maybe 52 or 53 in the back. On hard decks it was about 66 front 69 back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me jack Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 i ride a duck stance on softies 32/-16 it works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Coming from a hard plate background I find I will try to ride my soft deck as if it were a hard deck. I ride around 50 degrees front and maybe 52 or 53 in the back. On hard decks it was about 66 front 69 back. you ride higher angles in the back? why would you try to ride softboots like hardboots? just wondering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultan Guy Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I ride my Burton Custom wide board at 24F/15R and had very little overhang even with size 11 boots. Tried it with higher angles one time and could not get the leverage to get it on edge. Very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skully Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Mildly forward. 12 front, 3 rear. Tried duck, tired more "splay" between the feet, and my old knees don't like either any more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I set up a board depending on how and what I want to do with it. 121 "The Mini" I am ducked out. 152 Twin tip I am 22 front, 18 rear (agressive) Everything else in my arsenel is very agressive with around 48 to 38 front and rear angles. Heels and toes on the edges, no overhang, and superb power transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photodad2001 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 From day one both of my boots have always been angled forward and for the last 24 years it has worked for me extremely well. I did try the "duck" stance one season for about 3 times out, but because I was used to such a hard angle on my front foot I ended up injuring a knee. Front has always been 35 or more since I started and my upper body position is the reason why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photodad2001 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 back when I rode softies, aggressively forward, 33/24. I had no tolerance for overhang. I've got big feet and in the 80's anything less than 15 meant serious toe dig on my back foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilmour Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 46-47 front 42 rear. very comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtslalom Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Answer to bobdea, The reason I have higher angles in the back then the front is to help drive my back knee into the back of my front knee on heelside turns. The reason I ride a soft board like it is a hard deck is because I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aactis Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 On my 167 Arbor Roundhouse I usually ride 18-24 in front, and 9-12 in back. Low enough that I don't get any overhang (or at least noticeable amounts, I don't really ride groomers with it) with my sz.29 boots, but aggressive enough that I can charge through pretty much anything. I find it works particularly well in moguls and tight trees. And of course, Driver X's work perfectly with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I ride the board. so the angles vary by board. I ride whatever is required to have toes and heels tight against the edges. wider boards mean lower than 25 degrees narrower boards as high as 60 degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted December 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 How do you make soft boots work at 60 degrees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eajracing Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 usually run about 27F, 6R.. but as noted by many this changes quick depending on which board i'm on and what the conditions are. East coast ice hauling - more centered turn the angles up. West coast trees - duck out the back foot, shift everything back. Spring slush - bigger duck, super wide, off to the park. last season i spent most of my softie time at a +27 front centered, -3 back over the back set of inserts, but thats just what i found works best for me on a 172 prior MFR. I dont know why/how you would run >45's on softies... get a set of plates if you want to carve like you're on plates. softies have a regular place in my quiver, but i dont try and ride it like it's a plate board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 malamutes and cateks. the adjustability of the catek allows you to tune out the heel lift problems etc. the technique changes a bit and you use different foot pressure but it feels more like a skwal or a waterski in the rear foot when pressuring a toeside edge. I ride the x3 that way with huge success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 usually run about 27F, 6R.. but as noted by many this changes quick depending on which board i'm on and what the conditions are. East coast ice hauling - more centered turn the angles up. West coast trees - duck out the back foot, shift everything back. Spring slush - bigger duck, super wide, off to the park. last season i spent most of my softie time at a +27 front centered, -3 back over the back set of inserts, but thats just what i found works best for me on a 172 prior MFR.I dont know why/how you would run >45's on softies... get a set of plates if you want to carve like you're on plates. softies have a regular place in my quiver, but i dont try and ride it like it's a plate board. 45 degrees is the most difficult it gets easier above and below that. I ride a surfrods occasionally with near 80 degrees due to the narrow board width. feels just like my skwal with hard boots. 45 degrees is the worst for sure. I think most people just havent tried it above that. you have to have the toes on the edge and the heels on the edge for maximum edge pressure so you have to be willing to change angles from one board to the next. I find this useful if I am getting burnt out I can switch boards and angles and find a new set of legs to finish the day. This is not for the ice coasters or boiler plate riding. It excells in conditions that are to soft for hard boots. I can carve long after the hardboot only crowd has called it a day due to conditions. We can go a month with nothing but powder here and bottomless soft groomers. I still love the carve so I have adapted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraph Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 30 front/ 20 Rear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted December 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 It excells in conditions that are to soft for hard boots.I haven't found any conditions too soft for my hard boots. But then, my hard boots are pretty soft, as hard boots go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilmour Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Why would you do that? People do that if the board they are on is too wide or they ride with their front toes inbound of the edge to get their heel closer if the board is too wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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