Call me jack Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 So i bought some T700s at the end of the year, last year. i rode them once before the season got done, and my feet were killin' me at the end of the night. (seriously, i need help up the stairs). Later than night i got pretty hammered, and the pain went away, and was gone for good actually suggesting that this was tight muscles. well i now have had the boots heat molded to my foot, and i after riding them the other day, they still make the muscles in my foot really sore. any ideas as to ways causing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 So i bought some T700s at the end of the year, last year. i rode them once before the season got done, and my feet were killin' me at the end of the night. (seriously, i need help up the stairs). Later than night i got pretty hammered, and the pain went away, and was gone for good actually suggesting that this was tight muscles.well i now have had the boots heat molded to my foot, and i after riding them the other day, they still make the muscles in my foot really sore. any ideas as to ways causing this? what part of your foot? are the boots too small? too big? buckled too tight? my feet ALWAYS hurt my first couple days out in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me jack Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 oh yeah... It's the arch in my foot. and the boots fit pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 what do you have in there for footbeds? if you don't have a custom footbed you cheapest option is this https://www.yoursole.com/us/footbeds/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me jack Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 ... the boots actually didn't come with foot beds... just liners. but thanks i'll look into getting some foot beds, and see if that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me jack Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 do they go under the liner, or in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big canuck Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 in it. Are you getting heel lift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 you're gonna need to re mold those liners too. did a shop do it? most decent shops I'd think would of told you you're crazy to mold without a footbed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobble Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 ... the boots actually didn't come with foot beds... just liners. but thanks i'll look into getting some foot beds, and see if that helps jack... i went to pierce ski in bloomington. the manager, brian, has molded a few of the t700s (mine and some of the hyland g-team kids). you have to call and schedule an appointment with him. the other techs are worthless. they stand around and greet skiers and talk the talk. i asked one for help and he was "uhhh what kind of boot is that?!?". told him it was for an alpine snowboard. "oh, we don't sell snowboards". he eventually sought brian then went back to talking bullsh!t. brian knew the boots didn't have footbeds. he couldn't find a superfoot that worked with my arch so he dug in a box of remnants and found one that worked. i must have skinny legs because after awhile i couldn't get the top buckles tight enough on the boot. i remolded my old liners and feel more comfortable then the original t700 liners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Get yourself some decent insoles. Mine did cost EUR 70.-- . They were made of some formable hardplastic. I had to stand on a special formed machine for about 10 mintues. After that the soles where backed so that the arch of my feet get enough support. I always have some footpain the first hour. After that it's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhaskins Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Jack: After 2 runs last Sunday I had a foot cramp that took 15 minutes to go away - completely could not even stand on it during that time. After that, no problems. If you don't have footbeds for your liners, your feet are just going to move all over inside your boots. I don't think it is possible to get any sort of good fit. The footbeds (insoles) that come stock should never be used in my opinion. I have custom footbeds for all of my boots - about 6 pairs for boarding and skiing. I use a guy name John Lindgren (lundgren? I don't have his card with me at the moment) at Hoigaards in St. Louis Park. The custom footbeds cost about $100, but they will check the fit of the boot, remold your liners and you can come back for refitting if you need it. John's a great guy, been in the business many years. He has worked a lot on my feet over the last few years and I am happy. He seems determined to get me a good fit. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultan Guy Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I also have a fairly new pair of T700's and despite having a good bootfitter form my liners with footbeds I get a little bit of foot pain. I am still playing with the tighness of the various buckles to figure out what amount is the best. Try and go as loose as you can without causing any heel lift. If you have one spot that is a problem a good shop can fix that by shaping and grinding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I have the crappiest liners on Bomber, they are at least 50% duct tape at this point. However, my molded footbeds let me forget about all that, I spent 7:30 am to 8:30 pm in those boots cranked all the way down; the buckles were untouched from the USASA SL to the park. Just some food for thought regarding footbed importance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I've found good footbeds in hard boots are very key. Unless you get lucky with a stock one, pry the wallet open and get some custom ones. They make a world of difference, almost as much as molding the liners to begin with. Since someone already mentioned it, I, too, have skinny legs, and the volume of the uppers on my Raichle's was too large. I fix it, I just bought several sheets of boot fitting foam, and put two layers inside the uppers and inside the tongue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobD Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Valley Bike and ski in Apple Valley have a new line of custom footbeds which are $100, if you go that route. You should probably try the footbeds out of your other old snowboard boots first. If they were no problem before, they shouldn't hugely different now. Sometime pressure on the top of your foot will cause aches below. How tight are you clamping down on the buckles ? Bear in mind that it's common to buy the first pair of hard boots too big, and end up over tightening the buckles to hold the foot down. BobD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Tat Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 I have completely flat feet, and broke an ankle awhile back in a rock climbing fall. I had my UPZs pimped out this year to make riding more comfy. This included footbeds, pushing out the plastic in the inner arch both boots, at the ankle bones on the inner ankle of both boots. It's starting to get comfy; I still need a bit more work, as the front foot has a muscle along the outside front of my that is bruised from riding on Thurday. If it weren't for bootfitting I probably wouldn't be able to ride hardboots at all. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me jack Posted December 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Valley Bike and ski in Apple Valley have a new line of custom footbeds which are $100, if you go that route.You should probably try the footbeds out of your other old snowboard boots first. If they were no problem before, they shouldn't hugely different now. Sometime pressure on the top of your foot will cause aches below. How tight are you clamping down on the buckles ? Bear in mind that it's common to buy the first pair of hard boots too big, and end up over tightening the buckles to hold the foot down. BobD thanks... I actually took some old heel lifts out of a pair of ski boots i have, and tried putting them in my t700s. worked pretty good, actually. a little bit of foot discomfort but nothing i can't game with. It's a issue i'll just have to work on for the rest of the season. btw, i had my boots fitted at summit board shop, after sports authority told me that they couldn't work on them, cause they didn't know enough about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wun Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 i'd be hesitant to go to places like sports authority in the first place, since i get the vibe that they don't really have employees that specialize in anything in particular. from the advice of alpine boarding articles, if there aren't any alpine boarding specialists near you, the next best place would be any ski bootfitters, as ski boots are quite similar to snowboarding hardboots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpyride Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Personal experience. First time I had my boots molded at REI, I was told to rock back and forth. That did not work. The foam under my arch ended up being too high and I immediately cramped up in the arch. Subsequent moldings (which I now do myself), I wiggle my toes and lean slightly forward, but DO NOT rock my feet. I tried footbeds and they were worse, at least on my feet. I now use just the thermoflex liners with no footbeds, and have been doing so for 13 years. Now this may not be right for your foot, but check out and see if the arch is pushing up. Worth a try anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobD Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Personal experience. First time I had my boots molded at REI, I was told to rock back and forth. That did not work. The foam under my arch ended up being too high and I immediately cramped up in the arch. Subsequent moldings (which I now do myself), I wiggle my toes and lean slightly forward, but DO NOT rock my feet. I tried footbeds and they were worse, at least on my feet. I now use just the thermoflex liners with no footbeds, and have been doing so for 13 years.Now this may not be right for your foot, but check out and see if the arch is pushing up. Worth a try anyway. I've always wondered about that - Having custom footbeds made, and then putting them into thermoflex liners, where the work on the bottom of the footbed might be absorbed by the liner material. BobD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpyride Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 I leave for Duluth tomorrow and will be in town till the 5th of Jan, if anyone is riding Spirit, Lutsen, or my personal favorite for carving Mont Du Lac just outside of Duluth, $24 day pass and a wwwwwwide slope for carving and excellent grooming. It's just $12 for over 55, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Maybe I'm lucky but the stock liners in my Head Stratos Pros fit awesome and I can go all day long in them and only damages I do is rip a few leg hairs out with the shin bang in rough crud. I have a left leg that is a half inch shorter tham my right. Dr.Schoals arch inserts are all I needed in a pair of Burtons to make them feel better under the liner duct taped in the shell, but I disliked the overall feel of the boot and opted for the Heads with no changes to the liner or foot bed. Everyones foot is different. Just try to find a good bootfitter or podiatrist and see what they say. Sometimes it can be as simple as just a 3.00 piece of foam under the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me jack Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 sorry man, i'm actually from a much more southern part of minnesota. I usally ride at afton alps (i also work there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbeck Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 use footbeds, I like superfeet. dont crank down on that second buckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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