Burton FP's and Ultraprimes

[skategoat]

It took me six years, hundreds of riding days and a dozen boards to get to the point where I knew exactly what I wanted in a board and could articulate it to a builder. I bought a brand new Prior in 2002 when I first started hardbooting and really, it was a mistake. I had no idea what waist width I liked or radius, or stiffness or length. I should have waited until I had at least two full seasons of riding under my belt before I ordered a new board.

I would never suggest to a newbie that he/she should spend the money on a DonekcoilerpriorviruspogovolklF2. I would say buy a cheap but solid board that is appropriate for your weight. If you decide you like carving, buy more cheap, used boards and weed out ones that you don't like. Once you've settled into a style of riding, you will know your preferred specs. Then you order *The One*.

It's like dating. Your first date, you shouldn't be all that picky. His clothes are 10 years out of date, he needs a haircut, he slouches a bit. But hey, he owns a car, he's got a job and he doesn't smell. His name is Burton. Take him for a spin. Maybe you won't even like dating and would prefer to live alone with cats.

[knoch]

This is a call out for thoughts and feelings on Burton FP's and Ultraprimes.

I was fortunate enough to be able to demo my first alpine board (an Ultraprime) not long ago, and took a shining to it. That's all I needed to be converted from softboots!

I was surprised not to see any reviews for these boards on the Carvers Almanac. I'd like to pick the brains of anyone with experience with these boards willing to talk about it :p.

How would either of these shape up as a first alpine board?

I've been softbooting for 11 seasons, and am starting to fish around for alpine gear.

Thanks, folks!

Hey, my opinion is that burton ultraprimes and factory primes are great snowboards. I started on an ultraprime about 5 seasons ago. Since then i've ridden a few other ultraprimes, a couple of factory primes, and now i own and ride regularly two different factory primes and a burton speed.

During those 5 seasons i had a chance to ride a variety of other high end and low end boards along with the burtons that were mine. im not going to mention which other boards because i don't think that makes a difference. what i found was that i was most comfortable on a burton. the other boards didnt seem to give me the same amount of control as the burtons have.

I think the burton boards are a great way to start and i would recommend it. Not only because of the way they ride, but also because of the price you can find them for here. Heck if i had the money i would buy up every burton alpine board i saw for sale over 160 in length.

I may not have 25 years on the snow like some of these self proclaimed experts, but those are my honest opinions for you.

[bobdea]

Hey, my opinion is that burton ultraprimes and factory primes are great snowboards. I started on an ultraprime about 5 seasons ago. Since then i've ridden a few other ultraprimes, a couple of factory primes, and now i own and ride regularly two different factory primes and a burton speed.

During those 5 seasons i had a chance to ride a variety of other high end and low end boards along with the burtons that were mine. im not going to mention which other boards because i don't think that makes a difference. what i found was that i was most comfortable on a burton. the other boards didnt seem to give me the same amount of control as the burtons have.

I think the burton boards are a great way to start and i would recommend it. Not only because of the way they ride, but also because of the price you can find them for here. Heck if i had the money i would buy up every burton alpine board i saw for sale over 160 in length.

I may not have 25 years on the snow like some of these self proclaimed experts, but those are my honest opinions for you.

honest opinion here too, a metal prior is the most user friendly board I've been on in that given size.

[bobdea]

Cool, Bob, we get the point that you hate FP's and UP's. Really. Taken on board. You hate them. Other people like them. Move along already.

Without knowing anything about Nadia, how can you say that this won't be a good starter board for her? I could have benefited tremendously from having something softer, wider and more forgiving as my first alpine board. If she can score one of these for $100 and flog the backside out of it for a season, then it was worth it. Then she can move up when she's got the hang of the basics, without wrecking an expensive board in the process. A Burton may not meet your (sniff) high standards, but I seem to remember that you've actually owned your fair share of c**p in the day too - and at the time, you probably thought it was the shiznit!

Nadia, welcome to the forum, as one girl to another. Please forgive the boys. Using the B word is always a sure fire way to get them beating their chests.

The only word of advice that I might give is that with the Burton boards, you'll probably have to go with Burton raceplates because of the three hole mount pattern. Very few binding manufacturers make mounting plates for the 3 hole, they're all 4 hole. I think the TD1's from Bomber were the only other common binding that fits 3 hole - can someone confirm or deny?

This might not be a problem for you, you might like the raceplates, especially if you're lighter. But it's always nice to have the option to move to a different binding, one that will move between any other boards you might get further down the line.

That's the only downside I can see. Cheers. Resume normal programming.

raceplates, lighter riders tend to like the burton plates NOTHING wrong with those if you're small.

[Snowman]

So the guys that I know that weigh 210 to 220 and ride race plates are all wrong I guess. It really depends alot on personal preference and riding style. Not everyone is as bad ass and burley as bobdea. Bob, the abslouteness of your statements is always misleading.

Think Snow

[bobdea]

I rode burton plates and they were too gushy for me so I got on the catek wagon eventually but I did not break any burton race other than toe closures. burton physics I broke a ton of though.

but take bordy or a few other riders that I literally weigh 90 lbs more than and they break burton bails left and right. still though, most users do not have problems with burton they are not huge guys.

[Furi]

yah burton boards are terrible...I mean check this guy out on a burton he clearly can't rail on such an old outdated board:

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[bobdea]

no one says you can't rip on one but lots of us say they're not as good

like comparing a 1965 mustang to a subaru STI

a yugo to a toyota prius

a street hooker to a high class escort

[Trenchman]

a street hooker to a high class escort

Is one easier to ride than the other?

or are we just talking price:rolleyes:

[photodad2001]

Is one easier to ride than the other?

or are we just talking price:rolleyes:

How 'bout a beer analogy? (not that I've personally riden the boards, but had the beers)

Burton Primes = Michelobe

F2 & Nidecker = Heinekien

Donek, Prior etc. = select Micro-brews

But if all you're trying to do is get drunk any they'll all get the job done.

[bobdea]

I'm sure the high class one is easier on the eyes and I'd want to climb on more

here, lets use pictures here's spitzer's high class "escort"

and here's the average crack addled street hooker

you decide

[Trenchman]

How 'bout a beer analogy? (not that I've personally riden the boards, but had the beers)

Burton Primes = Michelobe

F2 & Nidecker = Heinekien

Donek, Prior etc. = select Micro-brews

But if all you're trying to do is get drunk any they'll all get the job done.

So by this analogy the F2's and Nideckers would only be good in Europe. Heinekien is so much better in Holland than it is here.

I had alot of fun on my Burtons.

I am hoping Coiler = Newcastle Brown.

[Allee]

This thread is making me laugh. Skategoat's dating post made me LOL.

[bobdea]

It took me six years, hundreds of riding days and a dozen boards to get to the point where I knew exactly what I wanted in a board and could articulate it to a builder. I bought a brand new Prior in 2002 when I first started hardbooting and really, it was a mistake. I had no idea what waist width I liked or radius, or stiffness or length. I should have waited until I had at least two full seasons of riding under my belt before I ordered a new board.

I would never suggest to a newbie that he/she should spend the money on a DonekcoilerpriorviruspogovolklF2. I would say buy a cheap but solid board that is appropriate for your weight. If you decide you like carving, buy more cheap, used boards and weed out ones that you don't like. Once you've settled into a style of riding, you will know your preferred specs. Then you order *The One*.

It's like dating. Your first date, you shouldn't be all that picky. His clothes are 10 years out of date, he needs a haircut, he slouches a bit. But hey, he owns a car, he's got a job and he doesn't smell. His name is Burton. Take him for a spin. Maybe you won't even like dating and would prefer to live alone with cats.

Lets say rider x decides they want a new board, I'd say Coiler, Prior or Donek could certainly hit it right. Bruce in particular could if you're either real light or real heavy IMHO.

There's quite the spectrum with burton boards too, I was on a yellow FP 178 for awhile and then I got on a speed 178 and the thing was MUCH softer almost scary for me. Same exact shape but different flex.

Allee, we love making you smile!

[boarderboy]

Amid all the twists, turns, and tangents of this string, there should be enough kernels of enlightenment to help you on your way.

The season's ending, and the adjustment's gonna be slow and rough. Spirits will rise, and attitudes will (probably) soften as the summer carve pursuits kick in. Then in August/September, look out! Add the Dog Days to Election Year rhetoric, and this place should be very interesting. Through it all, however, there's a huge amount of knowledge and experience hereabouts.

And finally, come late September or early October, maybe, someone will announce the first tracks of 08/09, and most of the year's slights will fade away with the new snowfalls.

Here's to your unfolding adventure, and

Have Fun!

[k2slopesurfer]

and here's the average crack addled street hooker

damn whitney sure is looking rough these days!

[RDY_2_Carve]

Amid all the twists, turns, and tangents of this string, there should be enough kernels of enlightenment to help you on your way.

The season's ending, and the adjustment's gonna be slow and rough. Spirits will rise, and attitudes will (probably) soften as the summer carve pursuits kick in. Then in August/September, look out! Add the Dog Days to Election Year rhetoric, and this place should be very interesting. Through it all, however, there's a huge amount of knowledge and experience hereabouts.

And finally, come late September or early October, maybe, someone will announce the first tracks of 08/09, and most of the year's slights will fade away with the new snowfalls.

Here's to your unfolding adventure, and

Have Fun!

Very well said.

I'm blocking Bomber on my router during election time. :p

[Bordy]

You guys kill me.

Burton boards are on the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to proformance.

Are they ok for beginers? sure, are thEy cheap? , yup,... are there a whole group of people who make them work?, sure... Did burton just abandon alpine? and are a bunch of people still pissed off about it? for sure.

The point some people just can't concide to is the lack of true ride the boards just do not provide.

I think burton product rides fine intill you become a intermedaite carver, at that point you really would benifit from a better prodect which there are numierous manufactors of.

I love the video of the rider being refered to as "riping" on a burton board.

I watched the video and see a board failing to proform at the level of a rider who has a lot of room for improvement. And as with many riders who ride the burton prodect and "claim" they feel the board proform as well as other good carving boards may not have the board feel or developed skill to appreciate a board of higher guility. Or they just don't feel the need for improved gear.

Lets be real many of you are argueeing the quility of a prodect that is no longer even made. And even at the peak of its manufactors alpine influence was never refered to as a "compition" level prodect. No one at the high national level ever rode "stock" burton prodect while many of the athletes on the podium where riding stock off the shelf gear from several makers.

And at the world level no athlete rode stock burton boards, while many riders were again on the podium with stock gear from other makers also.

Great points from lots of posters.

In my opinion burton alpine boards suck for me, and the only ones I ride are team stock. And compared to the current crop of "new" (read as anything that was made in 08) they are just substandard.

I think Its unfair to judge people who still ride "straight skis" as wrong just different.

Thats the same attitude lots of riders have about their alpine gear also. It works for them and they have fun riding it. Some guys woun't give up old hots or burners or burtons also. Know one is right or wrong.

Not fair to give the guy who ownes and rides 08 gear crap about his opinion either.

Silly internet snowboarding..........

[bobdea]

damn whitney sure is looking rough these days!

lol you caught it, the only pick that came up that was not showing too much happened to be that

[k2slopesurfer]

crack is whack, bob!:lol:

[photodad2001]

So by this analogy the F2's and Nideckers would only be good in Europe. Heinekien is so much better in Holland than it is here.

I had alot of fun on my Burtons.

I am hoping Coiler = Newcastle Brown.

I could have used Sam Adams instead of Heinekien. Just wanted to try to tie in a regional association. At least I didn't put Prior = Labats!!!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[CarveItUp]

Hi Nadia,

As one Ontario girl to another, Welcome!

Where are you in Northern Ontario? I'm down in the GTA, so probably not near you, but maybe we can meet up for some riding sometime next year? If you can get on csquared's list for the SOS (Southern Ontario Session) it's a great day out up near Collingwood.

I ride an ultraprime and an alp, my husband has an alp and a factory prime and in the rest of my family, I think we have something like 12-15 burton boards being ridden regularly. There are a few Coilers and Priors sprinkled in as well. One thing to remember is that in different conditions, different boards work well. Here we get a lot more ice than out west - being at Aspen this year was eyeopening for just how nice snow can be.

I'm also on the student budget - it can be hard to see everyone espousing other products and seeing the price go up and up. I like the dating analogy or a car one - drive what you can afford, what fits your lifestyle and your needs. For D and I, that means he has a subaru wagon, I have a hyundai accent. I drive the accent to and from school and that's about it. When we go anywhere further afield, we take the subaru.

Feel free to send me a message through our e-mail account here if you want to go riding.

beth

[tex1230]

. Very few binding manufacturers make mounting plates for the 3 hole, they're all 4 hole. I think the TD1's from Bomber were the only other common binding that fits 3 hole - can someone confirm or deny?

Incorrect - TD2 3-hole plates are available here: http://www.bomberonline.com/store/bindings/parts_td2_center_disk.cfm

Every pair of Cateks I owned was 3 hole compatible as well.

OS2 Includes

- Bindings

- 4x4 or 3-hole compatible True Flex Discs

- Power Plates

- All binding hardware

- M6 x 12mm mounting hardware

- (2) Allen wrenches

- Dip Stick differential tilt gauge

- Compact Leash

- CATEK Decal

- User’s Manual

I think Snowpro only comes in 4-hole, and Raichle X-Bones too

[SEJ]

Allee, I've had 4 pair of Catek Os1s. 2 pair came 3 or 4 hole, 2 pair came just 4 hole. Go figure? Bought them all used so I guess you just have to ask.

Scott

[dingbat]

OS1's I bought new at the end of last season came with the 3 or 4 hole plates.