Shred Gruumer Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I just have so much trouble getting my deelux and UPZ to fit right.. and feel right... Just wonder what people have found our have done as alternative to snowboard boots.. and gone to a ski boot.. I found the Dabello Krypton Pro that seem as a good alternative.. the center buckle is like the Raichle allowing forward flex with out the buckle its self to impead forward lean as the UPZ do... When ever i have used a boot design like that , when in hard carving when forward flex is maximum the boot buckles touch stopping any more lean and ultimately unbuckling ,.. It my experience that boots that have the mid buckle where the foward flex takes just doesnt work for me.. others might ride a bit different so it doesn't come to play.. Another reason is..I always had a better fit in a ski boot.. The Dabello krypton pro seems like a good alternative... the only other issue with the ski boot is that it throws you in a forward lean.. But the new freestyle boots seem a bit more upright which would make life easier instead of adding toe lift and what not.. Just wondering if people have been experimenting and or trying other boots out there.. check out the kryton pro... Right said Schtubby.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Bird Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Have you tried the Head boots? they are made by dalbello, shell seems very similar to the dalbello CRX boots but not as stiff, ski boot styled liner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I actually use the Dalbellos. Models Carve-X, CRX and some others are the same as Blax / Head Stratos. Great boots, much better then narrow Flexon/Crypton IMHO. Lean, cant and ramp adjusters, Carv/Walk/Ski flex adjuster. Other day I tried Carv-X on one foot and AF700 on the other and I could swear that Carv-X was the softer flexing boot. I liked the older Nordicas too. 881 and similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I rode my UPZs all day last Saturday with the top buckle undone. On purpose! And I liked it. They fit my feet pretty well but they're too stiff when all buckled up. Anyway, for what it's worth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 The Krypton is a modern take on The Raichle that I (among hunderds of others) raced on in the late 80s/early '90s. probably the best shi boot for carving once you cut them up a little for flex adjustment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skwalleur Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Have you tried the Head boots? they are made by dalbello, shell seems very similar to the dalbello CRX boots but not as stiff, ski boot styled liner. Yes, you should definately try the Head Stratos pro if you haven't. My feet never liked the Deeluxes/Raichle at all, but at home from start in my Heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffV Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Shred your best bet is to get your self a custom fit by Eric Beckman. Talk to Trailer Trash about it or Jack. He will get a boot to fit you. Or the other option is buying a new liner from Startingate. They have an awesome liner that is superior to the Raichle Thermos and they will heat mold it for you. I know a few riders that had problems with the stock liners and have had huge sucess with Intuition liners, but the real good ones are the Delbello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Karvlow Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Shred, maybe if you had'nt broken your toes a thousand times, your feet would fit.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Yes Broken toes..that does seem to be a problem...seriously.. Im almost a whole size larger in one than the other due to cartalige build up making my toes longer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pow Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 maybe a ski mountaineering boot? http://www.garmontusa.com/621006211.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyzcanuck Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Did you name a board Das-Amputator? Maybe you should take Zie SKalPel and cut off those toes!! OR... go back to using those boots (see image) that you had when I first met you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Thats it YYK Von zipper Im not talking to you anymore!!:) Guys... the head boots are exactly what I complain about ...look at the middle instep buckle there is no room for any compression.. a good compression is like the Raichle Flexon or the Delux.. they use a twin cable that allows boot compression. Thats why Im looking at the Krypton... Any way the linner does have some issues..I think the Deelux thermos Sux ass schit... So what brand does the starting gate carry...???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Karvlow Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 They have the 2008 de-form-foot model in stock right now:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardman73 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 hey shredd what size are your dogs? i may have some flexons im willing to part with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Im gonna go for new boots at the end of the season.. but Im between a 27.5 and 28.. I either got to stretch the toe box or squeeze the toe box.. I worked on my liners last night and padded the sides by the ankle ,, I mean I had to use a ton..but it now seems that it worked,, keeping my back heel from sliding up and down the boot.. which is half of the problem..keeping that heel in the pocket when Im gettin the down low on the carve...:) Will see right now my foot is the size of a football... got the gout!! No im not Irish..! and I heard all the jokes..but if you got some gout jokes go for it.. Feels like someone smashed my foot with a sledge hammer.. Ouch said Shred.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pow Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 i wouldnt bother trying to mutilate those perfectly good boots if i were you. You should probably just chop off some toes:eplus2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyzcanuck Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 They have the 2008 de-form-foot model in stock right now:biggthump I believe they also have the "Hans Sally Light-n-d-Loafers" Pro Model. That may work for ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 KEEP EM COMIN.. ZIPPER... I GOT ALL DAY!!!:) CAN'T WAIT TO GET TO THE ECES AND SLEEP IN... RIGHT SAID SHRED:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Karvlow Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Hey Cap'n Morgan, are you going to Aspen? if you are, will you bring my baby with you (196)? I miss her something awfull:1luvu: Oh and if you do may I take her for a Run?? Please:ices_ange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf Quebec Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Shred, I understand you, I'm still having a heel lift in one boot even with new boots (track 700 with thermoflex) which are smaller than the previous ones(MP27.5 to 26). Seems that I have thin ankle ... Anyway i'm going to see the "best bootfitter" in my area this weekend. Maybe I need a MP26 in the left foot and a MP25 in the right one . The dalbello seems to have a buckle just at the neck of the foot (babelfish translation here) to keep the heel down. I did not find the Carve model on their web site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyzcanuck Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Oh and if you do may I take her for a Run?? Please:ices_ange Sure you can... but I have to have my 'babies' back from you while you do!! That should be interesting to see... surf style on a 196. Actually, Andrea & I won't be coming to SES. Sad, but true. We're still in the midst of a major renovation on our house. $$$$ and time are probably better spent on a warm dry house rather than a snow vacation this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Try this at home.. if you have foam tape.. On each side of the ankle I used 1/8" thick and 3/4 inch wide double faced tape that you find anywhere...I put it above the ankle , I laid down about three strip high and took it from on side to the other and put three layers down..then covered it in all important duct tape.. it worked really well.. each foot is different.. but I seen enough boot fitting that I didn't need to have to pay someone you can do at home...it ain't that hard..it ain't rocket science. I was also looking at the Company Called Enerpak which sells a Hydraulic cylinder kit along with pump..so I can do all my own boot stretching.. but at $600 for the Kit...I'll do it the old fashion way... skinned knuckles and lots of blood... Once I started to feel what was working with the foam placement I added to it till I felt comfortable and secure... ain't pretty but sure feels a ton lot better... They do make pre cut heel foam thingys that you can adhear to the liner.. once you see them used then you can make them ..or buy them..... they wrap aound the liner from one side to the other right above the ankle.. thats kinda how I knew how to stop the heal from sliding up and down the boot.. it compacts the liner creating a deeper heel pocket.. Kant wait till I try em... its not winter hear yet,, still waiting for snow.. maybe some day... Right said Shred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristan Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 SG, Can’t help you with your toes, but here’s my hack on the buckle stacking issue. Secured with hex bolts at both end. Regards, Cristan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Shred, new Flexons are available from Full Tilt Boots. These guys bought the old molds and are making new boots with modern liners but the old shell design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyzcanuck Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I’m not a boot fitter by ANY stretch of the imagination, so take this advice and use it with all due caution. I know what works for me… trying to diagnose someone else’s problems is not my bag. I haven’t seen Kent post here lately but I hope he chimes in about this. I’ve noticed major heel movement can be a problem on the rear foot during toe side turns if the ankle bone (talus) isn’t aligned with the boot cuff pivot. Take your liner out of your boot and take note of where the boot pivot hardware is making a mark on each side. Put the liner on your foot and check if your ankle bone (talus) is at the same point in your liner as the pivot of the boot. If the talus is too low… possible fix is to put some sort of long wedge under the liner to raise it. Another possibility is to get an orthotic made (noting the height requirement) and put that in your liner. If the talus is too high… possible fix is to buy another brand of boot that has a higher pivot point! Not so simple fix is to lower the height of your talus. You might be able to compress the liner under your heel if you have heat moldable liners. If the talus is too far forward… possible fix is padding on front of liner. If the talus is too far back… possible fix is padding on back of liner. I think what happens is when the talus is not aligned with the pivot (especially if too low) the foot is pulled back and upward when the cuff is flexed forward. I noticed that leaving the cuff of my boot loose, I have less heel movement than if I over tighten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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