Jack M Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) I have nothing to do with this, but it's rather interesting. I'm a fan of Burton, despite their exit from Alpine, because last time I checked they were the number 1 snowboard company in the world, and the #2 and #3 top snowboard companies were actually ski companies. Wouldn't it be a shame if the #1 snowboard company was a ski company. I love the story of Burton and the success they have created. I hope they look into this. http://yobeat.com/2015/08/24/an-open-letter-to-jake-and-donna-burton-carpenter/ Edited August 25, 2015 by Jack Michaud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Interesting indeed, and many frustrated comments afterward giving some more insight into "those two". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powdahbonz Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 From what I've read and heard from industry friends that have worked for Burton HQ over 14 years/partnered with Burton, there seems to be some genuine disdain for the leadership that has fundamentally run the direction of Burton. Jake's health has been poor, in and out of the helm and now back out. Some say it's the Dacyshyn's-some blame the desire to be a year round lifestyle business rather than core snowboarding. Like Jack, I have been a fan of Burton, however, I'd prefer to support the product and brand of what I identify with. Can't say there has been much of Burton recently that I can identify with. In a time where snowboarding seems to backslide in growing new consumers, the #1 snowboarding company appears to have some challenging work ahead. Too bad. It would be great to hear the voices and inputs of the past Burton riders who have moved on or been moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I love the story of Burton and the success they have created. I love Burton too, but more in the abstract than in any real sense. They have done some oddball stuff over the past few years, things you might expect from a company that was taken over by pod-people, things like sending the US Snowboarding team to the Olympics in grandma's quilt. The fact that a "Chief Creative Officer" is purportedly acting as a Number Two probably isn't a good sign, at least for people who are looking for more than fashion from a snowboard company. I'm pretty sure most of us like to think the values of the companies we support align with our own. I'm just not sure what Burton stands for anymore, in stark contrast to competitors like Jones, Arbor, Never Summer, Mervyn (maybe sticking to board building is the key?). I know that, despite my pleas, twice a year, Burton sends us a massive, expensively produced, full color catalog printed on cardstock that's full of almost nothing but clothes that I could have bought at Ragstock in the 80s. Nothing about the medium or the message appeals. It's Abercrombie and Fitch with dreadlocks and body odor. It's especially odd, since the last thing I bought from Burton was a helmet five seasons ago. It seems to me they need to either target the kids that are not yet interested in snowboarding or their parents that want them to be and I can't imagine they've hit either group squarely. ...last time I checked they were the number 1 snowboard company in the world, and the #2 and #3 top snowboard companies were actually ski companies. Wouldn't it be a shame if the #1 snowboard company was a ski company. True that. It's a sad story. Thank heavens for niche operators that do one thing (or some things) better than anyone else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Hmm. Good thing I stuck with Mervin MFG for good number of years (even used to work for them). Burton... pretty much lost their charm with me personally. Only thing I liked was their softboots binding. Last one I have is a El Cartel but I have not ridden in years... been skiing mostly and thankfully, Mervin MFG DO make skis and they're primarily a snowboard company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintered Man Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Good God! I just looked on that Instagram page. Back ten years ago, I knew something was wrong when they switched over to the inline inserts. Especially this year, as I pointed out to my wife that Burton was making or selling tents. She is a skier and said, "That doesn't make any sense". I said, " I guess they aren't selling any snowboards..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Mervin MFG DO make skis and they're primarily a snowboard company. I've chatted up a couple of folks on Lib Tech skis at Loveland and they couldn't have been more enthusiastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainSlope Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 The comments! Oh boy!!! and these 2 instagram accounts photos (listed in the comments): https://instagram.com/amdacyshyn/ https://instagram.com/ivankoloff Really explains a lot... Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 and these 2 instagram accounts photos (listed in the comments): https://instagram.com/amdacyshyn/ https://instagram.com/ivankoloff Dag. I look at the second one and all I can think of is this. Sean Martin, if a stout, bushily bearded man in a Led Zeppelin t-shirt and overly joyous manner approaches you offering his creative "services," run the other way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 ^ I'll see your 'Faust; and raise you one 'Dorian Gray'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) ^ I'll see your 'Faust; and raise you one 'Dorian Gray'. I'll see your "Dorian Gray" and raise you a Tsar Nicholas II with a handful of Rasputins. Or a "Little Gingerbread Man." Either way is fine... Edited August 27, 2015 by lordmetroland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeko Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 How about being one of the highest ranked employees for the company with two kids programs LEARN TO RIDE and CHILL and promoting weed and coke on line? https://instagram.com/p/eNvZmXGEyz/ Thats not acceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 ^ ^ Are we talking 'Hellboy' Rasputin, or Rasputin 'Classic'? Dicey hand either way, given that TN2 was terrible at shaping public opinion, whereas B-Corp has excelled in that field. Also, Raspy had limited influence and was generally viewed with suspicion by most of the House. Bad Santa+Elf appear to have had the run of the place and the benefit of limited sycophancy. On the other hand, would like more detail on how you perceive the Faust analogy, as to which player is in which role. Valid comparison, but could go either way. in short, I call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 in short, I call. Fold. In the face of far too fine a post. Rasputin Classic takes the pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 I'll take Krampus because of the references to Santa that have been posted. He is Krampus relocated to Vermont. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) The authors of the letter are cowards, plain and simple. Anonymous letters that imply that two people may or may not be involved in a bunch of BS...very weak. The authors are likely lower level employees who do not understand how corporate America works. Sorry your core little company got big, but that's called success. Bringing in marketing professionals who don't ride probably made sense from a corporate level. The allegations of drug use based on Instagram photos? Pointless. Stand up for yourself, produce some real evidence, and don't hide behind anonymous internet cloaks. Donna's response letter was weak, but better than the original. Edited August 30, 2015 by tex1230 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I'll take Krampus because of the references to Santa that have been posted. He is Krampus relocated to Vermont. omg, what the heck is wrong with German people?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffV Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 omg, what the heck is wrong with German people?? Hey I take offense to that ;o) When I lived in Vienna, we use to put shoes out for Saint Nicholas day I think it was December 6th. My younger brother got in trouble and got a visit from Krampus which resulted in his shoes being filled with coal and sticks vs. candy. It was a joke but ruined my brother for a while... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 The authors of the letter are cowards, plain and simple. Anonymous letters that imply that two people may or may not be involved in a bunch of BS...very weak. The authors are likely lower level employees who do not understand how corporate America works. Sorry your core little company got big, but that's called success. Bringing in marketing professionals who don't ride probably made sense from a corporate level. The allegations of drug use based on Instagram photos? Pointless. Stand up for yourself, produce some real evidence, and don't hide behind anonymous internet cloaks. Donna's response letter was weak, but better than the original. You're right in theory, but in practice the accuser probably wants to avoid a defamation/slander/libel/whatever lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Jack, Were you somehow under the impression that 'German Engineering' was really about design? It's actually a complex coping mechanism conflating compartmentalization with denial and repression. ...To deal with some of the societal 'difficulties'. Pretty Grimm, no? Geoff, Did you read Struwwelpeter when you were young? My memories of St Nicholas day involve chocolate and shoes. Maybe that's where the problems began.... Edited September 1, 2015 by Beckmann AG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainSlope Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 OMG the Struwwelpeter is brutal! I can't believe they read that stuff to kids!!! BTW they have very gruesome "Krampus" parades in South Tirol, Italy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 a complex coping mechanism conflating compartmentalization with denial and repression. I'm pretty sure this is the standard description of German cuisine in most travel books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 ...despite my pleas, twice a year, Burton sends us a massive, expensively produced, full color catalog printed on cardstock that's full of almost nothing but clothes that I could have bought at Ragstock in the 80s. (I'm quoting myself. Is this even legal?). So, the aforementioned catalog came today, featuring this little revelation: "Burton has stepped back into the studio with L.A.M.B. to put together a collection that's intrinsically Gwen Stefani. The collection coincided with her time writing new songs, and her music and creativity manifest in the design." I put it into Google Translate and the result was, "We had a couple of executives who wanted to meet Gwen Stefani so we ponied up a bunch of cash and they got to be part of her boozy entourage for the weekend in LA. It was totally sweet. Here are some clothes." Hey, is that Fonzie over there? What's he doing on waterskis? Is he wearing his leather jacket in the ocean? What's the swimming near the ramp? OH MY GOD...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainSlope Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Hmmm... so nothing has changed this season over there? Or how do you see it Lordmetroland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) "Burton has stepped back into the studio with L.A.M.B. to put together a collection that's intrinsically Gwen Stefani. The collection coincided with her time writing new songs, and her music and creativity manifest in the design." LML, I thought this was just your unique sense of humor. I even copied the quote and googled it. Only your post came up so I thought the world was safe and God was in his heaven. Then I searched just for Burton and Gwen Stefani. Wow... WTF!?! I just don't get this anymore. I'm debating trading in my old Burton and just riding a cookie sheet in a pair of high-tops when the powder hits. Gobsmacked... that is the word I'm looking for. Edited October 7, 2015 by st_lupo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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