GarrettDN Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Ahhhhh.... I've got exactly 0 days in hard boots on a snowboard, however, I apparently can safely be rated as "expert" at riding in general. More big mountain, technical style. For perspective, I'll occasionally do some time in the park. But not much. Pretty much never rails. But steep and deep is awesome, however I end up on steep and icy a lot! I'm pretty high-speed with multiple gps and even a radar clock over 60mph. I'm certainly a nobody in the snowboard world (sniffle) but this stuff is just a baseline of who I am and how I ride for comparison. I used to race very minor slalom courses when I was way younger on my sweet burton air. Soooo...I do know the difference between holding and edge on a turn and sweeping snow :) ok, with my brief and hopefully appropriate bio out of the way.... I was NOT a believer in Magne for 2 reasons: I thought it would adversely affect a good carve, and I thought it was wonky and just hype. Then I rode one. Again, baseline comparison: I was riding a 162 Custom and tried my friends new 161.5 Travis Rice. Both cambered. on icy snow the difference was actually incredible. Like, the grip was sufficiently different in a skidding turn, or when planting on a run in on a steep chute with crummy snow/ice that I almost went tumbling forward. I expected the edge to just give a time but more like I was used to, so when it didn't of threw me off. I bought a Magne board shortly after. And for my all-purpose board I won't likely buy a board without it again. My powder board does not have, nor need, Magne. In good snow it is useless. I was worried I would notice it on carves. Not in the lease true, which surprised me. If all you ride is good conditions, it won't buy much. But for icy chutes I LOVE that stuff. When I'm on ice now on a non-Magne board I have to reconsider my check-off or safety points a little more. Certainly not the end of the world, but it really does help just that little bit. Anyway, that's been my experience. I'm not paid by Lib or anyone...haha...but I do thinks that board design is great. I'm on my 3rd MangneTraction board now. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettDN Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Apologies for all the spelling/grammar errors. On a mobile device... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slopetool Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 My Lib Tech Skunk Ape with camber rides great. I can not say it carves any better than a traditional edge, but it does not skid out at all. I like it. I'd buy another board with Magne-Traction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xy9ine Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 My Lib Tech Skunk Ape with camber rides great. I can not say it carves any better than a traditional edge, but it does not skid out at all. I like it. I'd buy another board with Magne-Traction. the skunks intrigue me. a somewhat effective soft boot carver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Would not be surprised if Vonn's skis were not actually serrated, but had alternating sections of typical and extremely acute side edge bevel.you mean like a sine-wave from tip to tail? 88°->89°->90° and back again? hmm.i've wondered about having 88° at tip/tail, tapering to 89° at 2/5ths and 4/5ths running length, and 90° in the middle. or the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Opposite... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 you mean like a sine-wave from tip to tail? 88�->89�->90� and back again? hmm. An edge with evenly wavering acuity would balance the need for 'sharp' with enough durability to finish a run. One could probably go well past 88 with the right 'waveform'. The average user could request a severely acute side angle from their tuner, and it would slice like mad. But, typical usage would round off the edge after a few runs, and let the whining commence. One shouldn't use their chef's knife like a cabinet scraper and expect it to cut like a microtome after. i've wondered about having 88� at tip/tail, tapering to 89� at 2/5ths and 4/5ths running length, and 90� in the middle. or the opposite. I'm standing with B on this one, as I think you'd find your first scheme would invert the tendency to 'grab' and 'float'. That said, giver 'er a go. What is intuitive is not always correct, and you might discover a new world of nifty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 yeah. options. maybe 90° at the front tapering to 88° at the tail (1°/1°) would give boards with no taper that early release sensation without losing usable running length from detuning. need to give some thought on how to blend the angles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrutton Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I have a couple of Lib boards, at least one with Magnetraction. I'm personally not a fan of it. 1. I thought the edge hold sucked compared with what I put on my other boards. It doesn't feel as good, and yeah it's slower. 2. It's damn near impossible to tune correctly due to all of the waves. Lib sells a super short tuning stone, which still has a straight edge, so there's parts of the edge that are un-tunable (the interior curves). I won't be buying another one. I will look at other boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dano Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Here is an annoyingly long jibstick video comparing different jagged edges on actual ice. It was interesting to see the different board shapes. I was surprised to see an asym... Unfortunately CMC never shows up with an original Madd 158. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.E Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Ground breaking revelation at 8:06. Edited December 17, 2013 by Mr.E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 Niether ..maybe you heard of megatraction. Introduced last year at SES. on the wobbly goblin Coiler makes it..no joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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