Jack M Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 <object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9E7YOEcJ8&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9E7YOEcJ8&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object> some great cross-under and cross-through there!! take note! Thanks to Beckman via trailertrash for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Commentary seems to be by Harald Harb, one of the "patron saints" of ski carving. Watch for the "phantom move" - very important for edge-to-edge transition without skid. It can be taken one step further (at least for fun carving) and actually engage that ski first! Majority of the skiers still want to initiate their next carve with the current inside ski, which is a bad practice. With a bit of luck, I'll get to work on my ski carving a bit, tomorrow, on nice frozen cord ;) Hey, now you can moderate yourself and move this to OT, like you did with the other ski carving tread :D ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Commentary seems to be by Harald Harb Credits in the beginning say Tommi Antila. Hey, now you can moderate yourself and move this to OT, like you did with the other ski carving tread :D ;) Haha... I wanted to specifically point out the similarities. I forget, was that what the other thread was about? Or just skiing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUD Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Come to the hill that Lindsay learned on (Buckhill), it is our local Sunday carving hill, you will see some INCREDIBLE skiers. It is fun to try (and I do mean try) and follow their rails down the hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Am I correct to think the "phantom move" is the aft to for shift onto the new uphill ski leading the roll of the edge change? I've been wanting to make some "triple tracks" with a good skier on similar radii gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Buggs Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Very nicely done. I have been out of the ski thing for so long but it looks almost like bad technique when I see the ski come off the snow in transitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Not too long ago, I was asked (Though not by TT) where a person could find imagery that would help them become a better alpine snowboarder. Here is one example. 1.Figure out what she is doing, and how she is doing it. 2. Figure out how you can most closely replicate those findings, given the limitations of your equipment. 3. Disregard, for the most part, the text in the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Credits in the beginning say Tommi Antila. Ah, I didn't read it. Sounds just like textbook Harb... Haha... I wanted to specifically point out the similarities. I forget, was that what the other thread was about? Or just skiing? I think other one was mostly ski carving... Just was pulling your leg - I don't care much where do I read about the stuff. Boardski, you are right. It helps release the current carve and start the next one more aggressivelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Buggs Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Eric, good to see you here. When I watch it I feel as if I do replicate some of the moves or attempt:o at least a portion of them in some of my carves. Some of the angulation for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 somebody posted this pic a while back....always thought it was friggin cool as hell: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 holy separation batman:eek: looks like good carving snow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinpa Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I was watching some ski racing on tv last weekend (since I was stuck at home.... car STILL trying to be fixed!!!!) Anyway, I couldn't believe how fast and abrupt the transitions between turns were. I think it was a GS that I was watching and I guess they need to get on the new edge pretty quick, but it just looked so jarring.... not pretty at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 awesome pic, but check out that dead spot. this is why I believe plate systems, while great, still have a ways to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcABQ Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 very cool vid does anyone know what these races are on for slalom? i assume 150, 155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powdahbonz Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Yeah-They're super qucik sticks and if you get in the back seat at all at these lengths, racers cannot recover like they used to on longer overall running lengths. I get whacked looks when I run my 188 SL sticks. I prefer it over the shorter lengths. Bode might be running a longer length than most sl racers or even Liggety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 188 SL's? Who makes them - or are they straight? That is just not a slalom length. I can't see why anyone would ride a modern slalom ski that is that long (if it exists). If you guys have not tried modern SL skis, I highly recommend them. They are a blast. I ride Volkl racetiger SL's - my favorite of all that I have tested. They are as close to a race board as I have felt. They have the camber profile of the newer race boards as well. I have found that most snowboard carvers can make the switch to race skis pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenorman Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 188 SL's? Who makes them - or are they straight? hi PHIL i imagine they must be. back in the late 80's before the shaped ski era with all the additional fancy all mountain categories i just off-piste skied in my slightly detuned ATOMIC ARC 185 SL skis. btw LINDSAY VONN is my favourite u.s. skier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patmoore Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 This is low as I can get on skis. I broke my ankle on the same gate the next day (NASTAR Nationals at Steamboat last year). I have a lot of room for improvement. Time for another look at this video. Just an observation but it looks as though the outside ski is just along for the ride and the inside ski is doing all the work. Impressive, nonetheless. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sGvthsclw&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sGvthsclw&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenorman Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 ...the inside ski is doing all the work... hi PATMOORE good observation. i have the opposite problem in that i am old school and tend to favour turning with the outside ski even when using shaped skis. i keep seeing all the young kids turning with both skis nowadays and am envious of their ability to also carve the inside ski. maybe a drill for this year would be to turn only on my inside ski to try and bring my ski skills up to par lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemcse Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Man, I have to say been out of the carving scene for a year and having too much fun on the sticks but I am back now. Its amazing how far skis and skiing has progressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronG Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 i have the opposite problem in that i am old school and tend to favour turning with the outside ski even when using shaped skis. . Tenorman, it is indeed a problem that alot of skiers have that have transitioned from old straight ski technology to shaped skis. I was guilty of it also. My brother(veteran ski instructor at Brighton, UT) told me to roll my uphill ankle and knee into the hill. This will shift some of the weight onto your uphill ski and cause it to begin to carve rather than just slide along next to the downhill ski. I admit, it is a totally different feeling to what I was used to when I did use straight skis. I can carve intermediate runs well but still revert back to old habits (all the weight on the downhill ski) on steeper runs. When I do click off a couple turns and see the railroad tracks in the snow it is a great feeling. BTW, that is a great vid of Lindsay. I watched womens GS on the TV last night for over an hour. There was one fallaway turn that was incredible to watch. Some girls nailed it with hardly and snow flying off the ski (carving) and there were plenty of racers that had snow flying everywhere(skidding). The race was in Lake Louise, if you have NBC Universal Sports channel they have lots of ski racing on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 hi PATMOORE good observation. i have the opposite problem in that i am old school and tend to favour turning with the outside ski even when using shaped skis. i keep seeing all the young kids turning with both skis nowadays and am envious of their ability to also carve the inside ski. maybe a drill for this year would be to turn only on my inside ski to try and bring my ski skills up to par lol. Practice the "phantom move", initiate the the next turn with a forward push of the new uphill knee. do it early & do it often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 yeah, that Elan video with the outside ski bouncing and chattering along doesn't do much for me. Solid effort, close but no cigar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I've been out with some friends this fall going "rollerskating". the old 4 wheels and even though I am "OK" at it, my friends made mention how I look like Im skiing on wheels with my movements and even in the turns I hold form as if I was on a carver leaning into the inside front foot... LOL. yeah I guess I'm Guilty. I have not had on a pair of skis since my very first time on snow almost 20 years ago. I decided I will "learn" to ski this winter. May my Xmas wish of an Injury-free season come true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 when both skis bend the same your doin it right:biggthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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