nils Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Hi all, We've been a bit busy and I forgot to post the news of our new model on bomber. You'll find discussions as well as info from Jacques here: http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6312 PDF Brochure can be seen / downloaded here: http://www.extremecarving.com/swoard/announcements/Swoard_DUAL_en.pdf ( 4.3 mb) Basically we wanted a board able to carve well despite its shorter contact length, as well as ride with performance in the powder, be able to do small tricks and be ridden with hardboots and softboots as well. It has taken us 3 seasons and many prototypes do achieve this, and finally we were so happy with the result that we decided to release this new board. Its name comes from the ability to achieve almost anything: It is able to EC to some extend, go air when needed and handle powder runs as well as mixed terrain. It will not be as performant as an Extremecarver or a 2m Swallowtail of course, but despite its freeride shape, it handles power carving turns pretty amazingly... Softbooters will find a surprizingly easy board, able to guide them into carving world, with very very low angles ( 175cm is 27cm wide). We hope you will have the chance to ride it, and see for yourselves... More action pics and vids will be posted during the winter...Feedback from riders/ tests will also be, hopefully, on EC forum or here somehow! Nils for the Swoard team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Cool! Sounds like many of the BX boards that are popular now. Although I wonder if you tried any longer radii in your prototyping? 10m seems very short for a 168, also 10.5m for 175. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterGold Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 First of I must say that I really like your step into the softboot world ! But as Jack pointed out, your text immediately reminds one of a BX board. I know that you are trying to market your board differently, but still it is built for similar purposes. And therefore I would like to hear your opinion on the different constructions. If you look at top BX boards like the Kessler The Cross or the Apex Pro+, they come with the latest technology (metal, decambered nose and tail, new sidecut forms, bigger radii? (at least the Apex has 12.85m at 165)). Advantages have been discussed here many times. What´s your take on this subject? Why does Swoard not use these new technologies or am I just mistaken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordy Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 I would quess that keeping the radius tight allows the hardcore Euro Carver to lay out the soft boot board while still controling speed on the pitches needed to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Cool! Sounds like many of the BX boards that are popular now. Although I wonder if you tried any longer radii in your prototyping? 10m seems very short for a 168, also 10.5m for 175. not in softboots if your goal is carving without having to scrub off speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted November 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Jack: its a bit different than a BX board because we kept the flex pattern very soft compare to what is needed in a BX board. We are testing stiffer versions for BX for the future. The radii are kept in the middle range for various reasons, one beeing that, as Bordy and Bob said, in softboots you don't want to get too high speeds for high angle carving. Radii are therefore a compromise for softboots AND hardboots to be able to enjoy the versatility. As for Titanal: Jacques will explain maybe later why we are not using it on this board. We have found that it is very hard to control torsion distribution with titanal, and since our goal is to control it against flex softness to be able to carve, the result is much better without it. Nils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 the board sounds like a good tanker 177 replacement for me decisions. you know, I've never wanted swoard but this sounds like the type of softboot I want, wide, works in the woods and carves decent. like my tanker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 not in softboots if your goal is carving without having to scrub off speed What are softboots? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 something you should be on when you go to JH. buy my tanker 187 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyrail Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 I don't understand the increase in width with length. Not everybody who wants a long board has 13 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 the widest it goes is 27. :( Im still riding 38/32 to keep my toes/heels on the edges. I will pass on this one for a Soft boot carver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 I don't understand the increase in width with length. Not everybody who wants a long board has 13 feet. generally it IS the case though. MOST dudes I've seen on boards over 170 for anything but powder fit in the clydesdale catagory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 the widest it goes is 27. :(Im still riding 38/32 to keep my toes/heels on the edges. I will pass on this one for a Soft boot carver. like I said in the other thread some overhang actually helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 What are softboots? ;) Jack, thats when you ride in "walk-mode"...... silly boy ! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted November 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 - Why 27 and not over?: its very simple and comes from the target of the board: be ridden by softbooters AND hardbooters. It means a hardbooters with lets say 35/28 angles or more is still able to turn the board on its edge, tilting it without having to fight with the tibia. Simply put plates with 40° on a 30cm wide board and you'll understand the problem pretty quick... It means the board is a compromise, a positive one and not a stripped down version of specs so the performance can be achieved for hardboots and softboots - why change the width of the board with the size: on the Extremecarver and on the Dual the idea is to give the same behaviour to all riders: it means the smaller guy on the 158 will be able to do the same things than the bigger guy on the 175, radii follow accordingly.. its more a parametric size growth than just a few cm added here and there. I have personally difficulties to understand why some manufacturers just add lenght, edge length and keep the width the same on their models... its sounds not right.. Anyway it is our philosophy regarding this ' width' progressive increase. Hope this answers your questions! Nils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danked Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 I want to see some footy. The pictures are great but you can only tell so much about how much it can take. I'm particularly intersted in the softboot carving aspect, not so much EC but just solid linked carves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokkis Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 I think as soon as snow get's here on slopes and folks get Duals, you will get plenty of clips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted January 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Here is the first decent pics we get from the Dual in action, protos were not cute and first prod boards were too late in the season so here it is! Thnx to rider and to photographer :)..there is old school mood in those pics ( maybe its the hair :) or the stoked face :). Resort: Peyragudes, Pyreneans, France, January 10, 2010. / Swoard Dual 168 Nils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ardski Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 love the rooster in that 3rd pic but my soft boots are m27 124s so I'll hold out for a goofy pj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Here is the first decent pics we get from the Dual in action, protos were not cute and first prod boards were too late in the season so here it is! Thnx to rider and to photographer :)..there is old school mood in those pics ( maybe its the hair :) or the stoked face :). Resort: Peyragudes, Pyreneans, France, January 10, 2010. / Swoard Dual 168 Nils So this board only turns heelside? Nice pics would love to see some toes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 So this board only turns heelside? Nice pics would love to see some toes too. LOL.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted January 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 So this board only turns heelside? Nice pics would love to see some toes too. smartass :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbass Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 So this board only turns heelside? Nice pics would love to see some toes too. Haha. i was thinking the same thing! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjl Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Yeah, but at flatter angles, toesides are way, way easier than heelsides. If you can hold the heel you can certainly hold the toe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danked Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I'm probably just being picky, but i wanna see how it does on groomers. These were all taken in primo european pow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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