Mountain Lion in Port Jervis NY

[Justin A.]

Yeah, but we don't have Mountain Lions here in NH. Nevermind the tracks that I found in my yard in Twin Mountain, the one my landlord said scared the sht out of him while out on his snowmobile, or the one that ran across the road in front of me in February 2008.

No mountain lions, just Catamounts :lol:.

There certainly aren't wolves either.

[jtslalom]

I found out that the picture of the mountain lion is a hoax. I went to a taxidermist in Matamoris Pa. and he analyzed the picture. He was able to blow it up and found that the deer was held up by a rope and that the mountain lion was a mounted lion. He claims that the pose is a common pose for mounted mountain lions. He also claimed that the picture was taken out west and that the mountain lion was from the south west. He figured this from the lions coat and the fact it matched those from the south west.

[skategoat]

That's pretty cool that a pro could figure that out. The one that BobD posted looks fake too. What's the mountain lion growling at? Looks posed. I think there's some bored rednecks out there.

Now, this one is not a hoax:

Coyotes kill female hiker in Nova Scotia:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/10/28/11550106-cp.html

As far as I know, that's the second known fatal coyote attack in modern history. The first one was in California. I think them coyote's are getting wiser and bolder.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Flea, the problem with this scenario is this - between the Rockies, where I'm sure cougars are abundant, and Ontario, there is this huge, vast land of nothingness called the Prairies. For cougars to make into into Northern Ontario, they'd have to cross this land subsisting on wheat and farm children.

They can be found here in Saskatoon from time to time - we've had a number of anecdotal reports, and one confirmed for sure just by a casual search. That one traveled 900 km from South Dakota, so they do roam.

They don't need to eat farm kids, we've got a ton of deer and antelope in the prairies plus lots of smaller game.

[BobD]

The one that BobD posted looks fake too. What's the mountain lion growling at? Looks posed. I think there's some bored rednecks out there.

That one was real. Local police shot it.

bobD

[skategoat]

That one was real. Local police shot it.

bobD

I just read the article. Sad that they felt the need to kill it.

[BobD]

and another in the Twin Cities

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=829980

BobD

[Dave ESPI]

Hope to see a few @ SES

I'm brave enough for them if there is a petting zoo......

[Dr D]

everytime someone loses a cat, dog or child a bunch of jack asses want to organize a hunt when in reality domestic dogs kill more livestock and people than wild animals.

SERIOUSLY BOB WTF

[Hotbeans]

I'm surprised that some people don't think mountain lions can co-exist with populated areas (eg: ny, nj, pa). Numerous reports of mountain lions snacking on pets, burying deer in woodlots, eating the last kid in line on a hike. Why not on the east coast??

[bobdea]

SERIOUSLY BOB WTF

what? it's the truth.

and furthermore, I was being a touch humorous. sorry I hurt someone's feelings.

dogs kill and maim more children than wolves, coyotes, cougars and bears.

the big killer? bees. even in areas that don't have africanized bees.

it amazes me though, people have a ****ing bird when native predators predate yet the biggest problems are still attributed to animals that are domesticated and/or venomous species be them bees both wild and domestic, snakes or spiders.

awhile back at a rod and gun club in barre they were talking about coyotes and how big of a issue they are. some great quotes. here's the one that spoke the most to me "coyotes kill for the joy of it, they are sick animals!"

WTF? coming from a group of avid deer hunters. this is so common though.

people have fears that are rational but blow them out of proportion compared to the many other dangers there are in everyday life.

don't like grizzly bears? don't move to AK. don't like cougars? don't move most places in the US because they are making a big come back in the absence of wolves. it looks like in some areas cougars are in greater numbers than they ever were because there's no wolves to compete for game with them or to harass them.

[Dr D]

If it kills a child we will all hunt it down and remove it from the planet bob.

We have plenty of wolves here and the elk population is so low it may not recover. We have cougar as well and the mule deer population in western montana is near non existant. any more predation and we won't have ungulates in the lower 48.

always kills me when some bleeding heart from the city whines that we don't have enough predators out west. Take your bucket biology and install it somewhere else please.

[jtslalom]

I understand what you are saying Bobdea and I'm sure you are correct. Bees and domestic dogs probably kill 100 times the amount of people then natural predators like bear and mountain lions. I'm not about to shoot a dog or a bee but if given the chance in New Jersey I would definately shoot a bear. Why? Because I would have at least 150 lbs of good bear meat and a nice bear rug. If I lived out in Montana and mountain lion hunting were aloud I would hunt mountain lion not because of the fact that I am some red neck but purely for the fact that I love to hunt.

If New Jersey fish and game feels we should have a bear hunt then I'm hunting bears because I want to. The problem here in NJ is politics. People that haven't a clue about bear populations and the mathematical bear model that predicts future populations are telling the fish and game what to do, namely our governor. Why would anyone want to contradict the scientific research of the fish an game is beyond me but the NJ governor has by putting a cease order on the last few bear hunts. The number of bears in the part of NJ that I live in growing exponentially. I have seen sows with as many as 5 cubs. They need to be controlled if for anything just for their population. New Jersey is just to small of an area to support such a large population of bears. At least I feel very confident that our new governor will allow a bear hunt next deer season (2010) and by the amount of bear I've seen in my yard and on all of my trail cams I'm going to shoot one. I will proudly post it here on Bomber.

Now I know this thread is about mountain linos and not bears but if it were mountain lions in NJ and not bears, I would be hunting them.

[Erik J]

I have never seen a bear population like I saw this year. Holy crap there are a lot of bears. jt - I'll give you $100 per kill to shoot the bears pulling garbage out of my dumpster at work.

I'm not about to shoot a dog or a bee

I'd pay to see someone shoot a bee at distance - just because.

The cougar population is growing around here as well. Go to any bar on the weekend.

[bobdea]

If it kills a child we will all hunt it down and remove it from the planet bob.

We have plenty of wolves here and the elk population is so low it may not recover. We have cougar as well and the mule deer population in western montana is near non existant. any more predation and we won't have ungulates in the lower 48.

always kills me when some bleeding heart from the city whines that we don't have enough predators out west. Take your bucket biology and install it somewhere else please.

listen chief, you can be a cry baby and flee reality but the truth is with or without humans if something eradicates a top predator populations of it's food tend to explode. in most areas of the US the deer population is much higher than it ever was due to many issues. one being that there's more open land in areas that were once virgin forests. if there's not there's clearly a problem. if predators are present which there needs to be and populations are crashing there's a problem. chances are there's not proper management not that the predators are destructive. generally speaking a system does support fairly stable amounts of prey if not tinkered with too much but sometimes there are crashes. I will not and have never disputed that where humans are present management is needed.

What kills me and what is relivent to this thread is that people refuse to accept that the natural world is ****ing dangerous. and proceed to try to alter it. yet often these same people are the ones who claim to love the outdoors. it's myopic is what it is.

I have no issues with proper wildlife management, what I do have issues with are cry babies (usually conservative douchebags that also fear queers, porno and black people as well) that decide they like eating elk or deer so therefor we get up in arms over scary animals that naturally inhabit the area in which they live that also eat elk and the occasional yuppie. Ohh, look one did what it does naturally. lets eradicate all of them.

Can you name more than one confirmed death from a wolf attack in north america? that's right, there's been only one that can be confirmed since whitey has shown up on the continent.

cougars are much more dangerous but still, **** happens, if you can't handle it move to paris, tokyo or NYC.

I am all for hunting. I have the criminal record to prove it. only been arrested once and it was hunting on a sunday.

If you're implying that I'm from the city, you're dumb as s hit. we can add you to the legions of under educated yokels from the western states that think the whole east coast is part of NYC and Boston.

if that's not what you were implying disregard the above.

when did I say in this thread you don't have enough predators?

I said people cry about it and try to eradicate predators when they do what predators do. some animals are ****ing dangerous. even black bears that are incredibly common here in the east and are generally very easy going will bring down a world of pain on you if you annoy one enough.

like I said life is scary

[bobdea]

and for the record, bear really takes some long slow cooking to taste good and even then it has weird taste to it. like beef with a hint of garbage.

if a single animal is a issue take it out. What I was refering to is people who decide that they don't like the native species that inhabit where they live so they need to go.

it's like the people in boston that whine about the winter. or people who cry that snowboards cost too much. people who live on flood plains are are amazed when the flood plain floods.

I've taken shots at deer (and missed) that were eating my god damned fruit trees that I put so much time into. same goes for the next time I have a bear in my garbage or a hive. that's dealing with animals that are a issue. not deciding we need a hunt because there's too many eating deer I like to shoot or they're mean so the whole species has to go.

from the western national parks to new jersey over population of herbivores has done more damage than their predators could ever do.

jersey is the extreme example in the sense of people dealing with deer as a pest species, I'm guessing there's either no place to safely hunt there or their fish and game people are incompetent. further west it's been more about issues of erosion to plant species being over browsed by elk and deer to the point that some trees and shrubs are not reproducing fast enough to survive.

[lonbordin]

<snip>I've taken shots at deer (and missed) that were eating my god damned fruit trees that I put so much time into. same goes for the next time I have a bear in my garbage or a hive. that's dealing with animals that are a issue.

I use a sling shot and don't miss... they (the deer) tend not to come back for some time after that. Plus I don't have to worry I'm going to kill them and have the neighbors come down upon me...

I can field dress a deer pretty quickly though...hmmmmn.

[Dr D]

:rolleyes: Geez Bob been holdin that in awhile?

Management would be nice. It would even be possible without ding dongs screaming about the evils of eradicating every time a hunt comes up. We manage Grizzlies wolves and mountain lions and would do so more effectively without whacko environmentalist whiners screaming about the death of every vicious beast that gets killed.

You can't have it both ways Bob management means killing the excess numbers and the individual animals causing problems and danger to humans. I value the life of a child over that of a predator, no matter whats its race or species, Bob. No one ever suggested killing them all or eradicating anything. I did suggest that we had way to many here. Some of them need to and will be killed. Whitetail populations are exploding all over the USA in suburban and urban areas precisely because there is no predation in those areas. humans dont hunt and for the most part until recently the wild predators don't either. That is changing as the cougar etc follow the prey into urban areas and learn new sources of food. Cougar in this area are in urban areas because there are so many of them that no new territories are available in the wild. They move into cities because they arent big enough to run a mature cat out of his territory.

i will take the title conservationist over environmentalist any day Bob. I can at least say without shame that I love the land and will always try to do whats best for it. Environmentalism is a twisted sick pretender to the world of protection. The only thing environmentalism protects is politics and power Bob. Things die and are renewed again its the circle of life and the last time I checked, I was at the top of the food chain.

People come first.

[kinpa]

Ok, so yeah, I'm in Montana.... no longer in PA, BUT there has been a huge problem with a mountain lion not too far from here.... so far I know of at least one horse (was chased though a fence and had to be put down), one small dog (family pet attacked within feet of the family's porch), and one hound dog (owned by the guy trying to track the lion and shot by a neighbor in the process - the other hound dog was also shot, but luckily she'll survive). I don't live over in that area, but I'm sure if that was my little dog that got attacked, I feel the same way those people do..... get it out of this area before something more serious happens (I've got a two year old son.....)

Yes, it's scarry when wild animals get so close to population. Who's to blame? From what I hear, this one wasn't scared by the people at all.... maybe too hungry? or maybe just getting brave?

[bobdea]

:rolleyes: Geez Bob been holdin that in awhile?

Management would be nice. It would even be possible without ding dongs screaming about the evils of eradicating every time a hunt comes up. We manage Grizzlies wolves and mountain lions and would do so more effectively without whacko environmentalist whiners screaming about the death of every vicious beast that gets killed.

You can't have it both ways Bob management means killing the excess numbers and the individual animals causing problems and danger to humans. I value the life of a child over that of a predator, no matter whats its race or species, Bob. No one ever suggested killing them all or eradicating anything. I did suggest that we had way to many here. Some of them need to and will be killed. Whitetail populations are exploding all over the USA in suburban and urban areas precisely because there is no predation in those areas. humans dont hunt and for the most part until recently the wild predators don't either. That is changing as the cougar etc follow the prey into urban areas and learn new sources of food. Cougar in this area are in urban areas because there are so many of them that no new territories are available in the wild. They move into cities because they arent big enough to run a mature cat out of his territory.

i will take the title conservationist over environmentalist any day Bob. I can at least say without shame that I love the land and will always try to do whats best for it. Environmentalism is a twisted sick pretender to the world of protection. The only thing environmentalism protects is politics and power Bob. Things die and are renewed again its the circle of life and the last time I checked, I was at the top of the food chain.

People come first.

lol, little uptight about this? reminds me of when one of you western guys was really upset that we could believe that a couple WHITE guys were the ones who bombed the federal building in oklahoma city. not sure if that was you but it's the same tone I'm getting.

choose the wolf over the cat. you know that the nice thing about predators is there are never more than the prey population can support?

does not matter what the prey is per se. if there's too many cats it's a result of too much prey and no competition. there's no real argument about it. like I said. if you can't hack it, move.

[boarderboy]

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