Gtanner Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 How would you critique the Klug picture w.r.t. Jack's article? He's bent at the waist, hips almost higher than shoulders, the main difference that I see from some of the "don't" pictures in the article is that the hands aren't touching the snow. Inside shoulder still dropped in a bit. Otherwise it seems almost the opposite of the Karol picture from the top.. and there the hands seem to hold up the shoulders so that they're semi-parallel to the slope. That's Jasey Jay Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I keep the Karol pic in my head often while riding. If you've seen any of the OES videos and are wondering why the guy in the orange jacket always has his hands up and in front of hime, now you know why ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Prokopiw Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 As it gets too easy (still fun though) to slide one or both hands along the snow,form like that of the racer in the photo gives me something to aspire to.Seems like improving my core strength will be mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 How would you critique the Jasey picture w.r.t. Jack's article? He's bent at the waist, hips almost higher than shoulders, the main difference that I see from some of the "don't" pictures in the article is that the hands aren't touching the snow. Inside shoulder still dropped in a bit. Otherwise it seems almost the opposite of the Karol picture from the top.. and there the hands seem to hold up the shoulders so that they're semi-parallel to the slope.Jasey-Jay is compressed overall a lot more, he's in a much harder turn at higher speed. But overall I think he is demonstrating the same principles. The lines you drew are not apples and oranges as you didn't follow the bend of Chris's leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Tex? Whats that about? I was responding to dshack's nitpicking comments. It's just a little ridiculous to pick apart a guy's technique from one still frame. I always try to make the smoothest transitions and use the best technique I know for the slope and conditions of the moment when I'm riding. Not that I'm the best carver out there, but I guarantee I'm having more fun and enjoying the ride more than people who stress out about their hand being 1/8" out of position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastskiguy Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 all 3 of those turn types look great to me, I guess it's a little unpopular here but those laid out carves look super cool. The race pic looks bitchin'. The carving pic looks....like skiing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshack Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I was responding to dshack's nitpicking comments. I didn't mean to come off as nitpicky or negative. As a beginner, I was taking the picture I saw and trying to figure out what technique pointers I could get from it. No offense or judgment was intended whatsoever. Right now I'm caught between trying to super-rotate on toesides, bringing my torso towards the center of the sidecut (which makes me more likely to stick my butt out, I think), and not rotating enough (which might rob me of some of that "pulling the board through the turn" feeling). To me, Chris looks like he's rotated about exactly in line with his binding angles, but majorly kinked at the waist. The racer looks like he's pointed about halfway between the board's long axis and his bindings, and the Sword guy is super-rotated. Is there an inverse relationship between rotation and angulation? It seems like the more you rotate, the more laid out you can get, and the more compact/angulated you get, the less you have to rotate, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I was responding to dshack's nitpicking comments.It's just a little ridiculous to pick apart a guy's technique from one still frame. I always try to make the smoothest transitions and use the best technique I know for the slope and conditions of the moment when I'm riding. Not that I'm the best carver out there, but I guarantee I'm having more fun and enjoying the ride more than people who stress out about their hand being 1/8" out of position. 1)you need to relax 2)you need to work on those interpretation skills. Guy was NOT being negative at all, and was saying, basically, "so, what makes this an ideal?" and then tried to figure it out for himself 3)there's nothing wrong with a beginner aspiring to improved technical perspective 4)you need to relax ;) dshack...while I dont understand why tex misinterpreted your post, just keep in mind that he kinda has a point...you'll see riders out who are incredibly rigid, trying SO hard to get that "perfect" body position, and they lose almost all fluidity and any semblance of style. Practice technique of course, but don't forget that this is for FUN, and the better you look doing something the more fun you have ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Practice technique of course, but don't forget that this is for FUN, and the better you look doing something the more fun you have ;) Or is it the other way around? (The more fun you are having, the better you look) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicHard Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 It's just a little ridiculous to pick apart a guy's technique from one still frame. I've got same opinion: how can you say, from just one frame, if that riders is using a technique instead of another? Maybe he was just using the same techinque but few tenths od second before the board skid and then he is compressed to "absorbe" the event; maybe he's just absorbing with legs someting he had under the board... We should see the video. Ciao! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Or is it the other way around? (The more fun you are having, the better you look) no no. The more fun you're having, the better you think you look! :) I don't disagree that a still shot is insufficient, BUT as a moment frozen in time, its logical to look at it and say "would I be better if I were able to attain that position?" still don't think dshack was being "nitpicky" just analytical in an effort to improve. Shouldn't be attacked for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebu Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 That's just the air that he's getting as he's crossing from edge to edge........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 "De gustibus non est disputandum"How would you critique the Jasey picture w.r.t. Jack's article? He's bent at the waist, hips almost higher than shoulders, the main difference that I see from some of the "don't" pictures in the article is that the hands aren't touching the snow. Inside shoulder still dropped in a bit. Otherwise it seems almost the opposite of the Karol picture from the top.. and there the hands seem to hold up the shoulders so that they're semi-parallel to the slope. tpalka, I disagree with your assessment of Jasey Jay Anderson's technique in that pic. He is going a lot faster than Karol, and is stacked and compressed. His hips are down. He's bent at the waist but forward, not towards the toeside edge, and not excessively. Your red lines are not in the right places. His knees are apart, shoulders level, hands off the snow, it's a great pic. It's basically what someone riding like Karol would look like at 3x the speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpalka Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Jack and Neil -- I see what you mean. The lines I drew didn't quite represent the skeletal alignment. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skully Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 The lines I drew didn't quite represent the skeletal alignment. Thanks. How's this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest arcit Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Heres an old pic of Will Garrow. Not as high as Chris, not as low as Jasey Jay and def not Eurocarving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Heres an old pic of Will Garrow. Not as high as Chris, not as low as Jasey Jay and def not Eurocarving. Damn that is a good looking carve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban Carving Gooding Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Every day riders. Sorry Paul K your on bomber. And A rider called Cuban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Heres an old pic of Will Garrow. Not as high as Chris, not as low as Jasey Jay and def not Eurocarving. That looks like one of those 16cm Rossi prototypes that I don't believe ever saw production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARCrider Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 That's just the air that he's getting as he's crossing from edge to edge........ I'd have to disagree. not changing edges but skipping on a toeside edge. good drill to try on either edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordy Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 That looks like one of those 16cm Rossi prototypes that I don't believe ever saw production. They where 18cm and 19cm 180-185 very fun.. white top sheet team only, around 94to97 Jermey Jones ride of choice. Of course same time Greenwood showed up on stock throttles and won world cups..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffy Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 I think the top one looks way beeter to me. Extreme carving only looks cool in video form. I agree top pic looks way better....IMO extreme carving(even in video) doesnt have as smooth of flow.....as a good rider that can punch hard through the turns without dropping both hands to the snow!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban Carving Gooding Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 I agree top pic looks way better....IMO extreme carving(even in video) doesnt have as smooth of flow.....as a good rider that can punch hard through the turns without dropping both hands to the snow!!!!!!! A good rider has A choice hands on the snow or not.:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Heres an old pic of Will Garrow. Not as high as Chris, not as low as Jasey Jay and def not Eurocarving. Where you get this photo? Im disappointed I never got to ride for him as a team rider recently. (Political issue, but not with him, but with the team manager-- so dont ask.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffy Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 A good rider has A choice hands on the snow or not.:lol: Most good rippers ive seen dont drop both hands :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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